What to call this thread?

"Can they get any dumber?" S2 #540
Extrapolating the trend over the past decade, it would appear to be inevitable, a statistical certitude.

"For the record, that's a question, not a challenge." S2 #540
Narcissists rarely perform in secret.

"... not everyone has xx or an xy ..." #540
Though it has not been ever thus, our contemporary criterion of truth is science.
Let's not swill the bio-chem Kool-aid.

Should we base public policy on microscopic bio-chemistry?
Or should we apply a more human, more humane standard of respect?
 
Should we base public policy on microscopic bio-chemistry?
Or should we apply a more human, more humane standard of respect?
Not sure what your point is - should be base public policy on scientific facts or should we base it on some know-nothing bigot's opinion>
 
What S2 #542 posted:
Not sure what your point is - should be base public policy on scientific facts or should we base it on some know-nothing bigot's opinion>
What s #541 posted:
should we apply a more human, more humane standard of respect?
S2 perceives ignorant bigotry as "humane" and "respectful"?

By your standard, a person that's xx but prefers to be identified / treated as xy, enforcing the DNA standard would eliminate that option.

Why not just leave it up to the individual, within reason? The obvious exception: male peeping toms that cross-dress on Saturday night for the thrill of loitering in women's restrooms & locker rooms.
 
"Then the problem isn't trans or nonbinary people but is rather predatory cisgender men." S2 #544
I suspect voyeurism was manifest long before "cisgender" entered the lexicon.

Certainly I'd consider it a problem, even if not yet. Once randy figures out the opportunity, Katy bar the door.
Probably naïve to apply the definite article here, "the problem". One of many potential problems I imagine.

"... they don't actually care about women's sport"JN #545
I vaguely recall televiewing Brandi Chastain & Mia Hamm gaining slender victory.
I've puzzled over what it would take to attract my attention to women's sport.
Topless competitors might seem the obvious lure. Not sure it would reshuffle the priority order for me.
I don't care for the athletic look on a woman. I recognize the statuesque beauty, but it doesn't register on the siren song spectrum of the urge to merge.
 
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Transgender Youth Have Better Emotional Health after Taking Hormones, New Study Finds

Hormone therapy improves transgender young people’s well-being and social relationships, but Trump’s recent executive order and state bans threaten to take it away
By Tyler Santora edited by Tanya Lewis

Suicide attempts among transgender and nonbinary youth jumped by as much as 72 percent from 2018 to 2022 in states that had recently passed laws to curtail their rights. And President Donald Trump took this onslaught to the federal level last month when he signed an executive order to cut federal medical care support for trans people aged 19 and younger, which two federal judges have since temporarily blocked. These political actions affect a set of young people who already had much higher rates of depression, anxiety, self-harm and suicide attempts than their nontransgender peers. Many of the recent state laws ban gender-affirming care—which a 2022 study suggests is a lifeline for many trans youth. In the study, those who received gender-affirming care had 60 percent lower odds of depression and 73 percent lower odds of suicidality over a 12-month follow-up than those who did not.


A growing body of evidence supports the mental health benefits of gender-affirming care for trans youth—including puberty blockers, hormone therapy and, in very rare cases, surgery. Now a new study adds to this evidence: it’s the first of its kind to show that hormone therapy improves overall emotional health among trans youth.

For the new study, published in January in the Journal of Adolescent Health, researchers tracked the emotional health of 315 trans youth aged 12 to 20 for two years after they began using hormone therapy (testosterone or estrogen). Emotional health is a component of mental health that concerns feelings; it shapes how we act in relationships, react to struggles and generally behave in everyday life. The study also tracked appearance congruence, a measure of how much a person’s physical presentation matches their gender identity.

Over two years, appearance congruence (based on a validated nine-question metric) improved in tandem with all five domains of emotional health: psychological well-being; self-efficacy, or the belief that one can achieve one’s goals; social satisfaction, including friendship, emotional support and loneliness; negative social perception, or perceived hostility and rejection; and negative affect, or anger, sadness and fear.

Before taking hormones, the participants, on average, had what the authors called “clinically concerning” scores in the areas of friendship and life satisfaction. After just six months of taking hormones, however, these averages reached healthy levels. The study authors declined to comment on the findings.

“This adds to a body of literature that’s already shown improvements in mental health outcomes and safety,” says Jae Corman, an affiliate assistant professor of health systems management and policy at Oregon Health & Science University and head of ....

 

Transgender Youth Have Better Emotional Health after Taking Hormones, New Study Finds

Hormone therapy improves transgender young people’s well-being and social relationships #552
Seems like a -water is wet- level announcement.

but Trump’s recent executive order and state bans threaten to take it away
By Tyler Santora edited by Tanya Lewis
Suicide attempts among transgender and nonbinary youth jumped by as much as 72 percent from 2018 to 2022 in states that had recently passed laws to curtail their rights.

Am I a broken record here?
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? Matthew 7 : 12
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

This is deeply unsettling, depressing. It's a betrayal of the libertarian principles that have helped U.S. to thrive. If there's a silver lining here, I'm old. God willing I won't have to witness this much longer.
 
"you're too young to know!" TQ #554
Apparently this varies widely among the U.S. population. Within a population of hundreds of millions, it would be astounding if there aren't a few that insist upon, for example, gender reassignment, later to regret it.
What % of the population in that category? A fraction of 1%?
So are we to set national policy against the wishes of the 99+% leveraged on the premise that <1% might feel a tinge of buyer's remorse? And therefore the 99+% must suffer?

Those openly advocating such position are destructive hypocrites.
Inflicted as benevolence, it buffoonery. If they want your help they can ask you for it.
Inflicted as torment, it's sadism. MYOB
 
Re #554

If trans kids are "too young to know" the same has to be said about every other kid out there.

- the little girl in kindergarten - too young to know

- the boy who sits behind her - too young to know

- the cub scout group that meets in the local church hall - too young to know

- the little league baseball team that plays in the park down the street - too young to know

- the list goes on and on

If those cis kids aren't too young to know the same has to apply to trans kids.
 
Re #554

"If trans kids are "too young to know" the same has to be said about every other kid out there.
- the little girl in kindergarten - too young to know ...
- the list goes on and on
If those cis kids aren't too young to know the same has to apply to trans kids." #556
There are more persuasive arguments.

The logical flaw in #556:
education is essential, and it doesn't cause substantial diversion from the individual's natural development.

"The fact that somebody over-sells an idea doesn't make it a bad idea. It makes them a bad salesman." Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA ret)
 

Transgender troops will be removed from the military, Pentagon says

The policy goes further than the trans military ban that President Donald Trump instituted during his first term, which allowed some trans troops to continue serving.

 

Transgender troops will be removed #558

Surgically? Or with hormone therapy?

"The policy goes further than the trans military ban that President Donald Trump instituted during his first term, which allowed some trans troops to continue serving." #558
Generally government action is in response to a perceived problem.
Apparently in the Trump administration a U.S. military that reflects the broader U.S. population is a greater problem, a higher priority than U.S. national security, sovereignty.
 
The trans ban previously instituted by Trump was drafted without consulting Pentagon brass and was drafted by the religious right (Tony Perkins?)
 
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