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That's why they have to be on hormones for a number of years - and according the doctors and scientists employed by the IOC and NCAA any advantage to be gained by "growing up male" will disappear.
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It's an uncontrolled experiment, meaning variations made without a control, a non-varied standard.
Even with twins I'm not sure we could establish a universal truth to validate it.
That's why we address it statistically, and that means M.O.E.
There's more than one basis from which to approach this:
- the trans side
- the cis side
My perspective is simple utilitarian justice.
I don't endorse advantaging the many by penalizing the few.
I can't endorse unresolved doubts from among the many, by indulging a proportionately few.
If the few wish to compete, fine, provided they comply with the standards that apply to all the other competitors.
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And they do comply with those standards.
I claim no expert knowledge of such athletic competition.
While some / many / most / or all may have complied with all those explicitly enumerated,
there may be still others which have been adhered to, perhaps assumed, but established prior to this issue having gained prominence.
Perhaps a simple rules update / clarification would satisfy the controversy. I deduce there's a controversy because of this thread.
My suspicion is, the long-tenured standards for such competition are sparse on such details.
I can imagine something as seemingly innocent as simple disclosure standards might complicate this.
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Just asking ....
I haven't checked lately, but decades ago citizens could volunteer for U.S. military service at age 17, but only w/ parental approval.
I'd be more sympathetic to Trump on this, were it not for the ticking clock. I recuse myself.
My suspicion, out of a population of one million early transitioners, there are likely to be a few post-transition regretters.
I won't guess at the actual number if any.
But if it's 5%, I'm not sure it makes sense to inflict restrictions on the 95% because of the 5% risk. I'm a utilitarian.
I'd be less uncomfortable about it if the transition candidates received some constructive guidance, the details involved, including insights from those that have transitioned, including warnings of perils along the way, before during and after.
I base that on a conversation I had with my niece. She'd graduated high school, and had enrolled in college with a very specific career path in mind.
In one 20 minute conversation I'd shared insight with her that resulted in her literally telling me: "I never thought of that." That 20 minute conversation w/ uncle sear changed her life, for the better I hope.
What alarms me in retrospect is that she did not get that insight from her parents, guidance counselor, teacher, classmate, schoolmate, or ...
No need to re-invent the wheel. Benefit from the experiences of others.
I'd be more sympathetic to Trump on this, were it not for the ticking clock. I recuse myself.
My suspicion, out of a population of one million early transitioners, there are likely to be a few post-transition regretters.
I won't guess at the actual number if any.
But if it's 5%, I'm not sure it makes sense to inflict restrictions on the 95% because of the 5% risk. I'm a utilitarian.
I'd be less uncomfortable about it if the transition candidates received some constructive guidance, the details involved, including insights from those that have transitioned, including warnings of perils along the way, before during and after.
I base that on a conversation I had with my niece. She'd graduated high school, and had enrolled in college with a very specific career path in mind.
In one 20 minute conversation I'd shared insight with her that resulted in her literally telling me: "I never thought of that." That 20 minute conversation w/ uncle sear changed her life, for the better I hope.
What alarms me in retrospect is that she did not get that insight from her parents, guidance counselor, teacher, classmate, schoolmate, or ...
No need to re-invent the wheel. Benefit from the experiences of others.
Information's like a gun, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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PolitiFact FL: Five misleading claims from Trump’s executive order on trans youth health care
WLRN Public Media | By Grace Abels
People gather for a rally demanding that NYU Langone commit to providing health care for transgender youth following an executive order by President Donald Trump aimed at cutting federal funding for gender-affirming care, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in New York.
In an executive order about medical care for transgender youth, President Donald Trump called to end "reliance on junk science." But the order itself included claims about gender-affirming care that clash with leading medical research and practice.
WLRN has partnered with PolitiFact to fact-check Florida politicians. The Pulitzer Prize-winning team seeks to present the true facts, unaffected by agenda or biases.In an executive order about medical care for transgender youth, President Donald Trump called to end "reliance on junk science." But the order itself included claims about gender-affirming care that clash with leading medical research and practice.
The Jan. 28 order declared that the U.S. government "will not fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these destructive and life-altering procedures."
It demanded ending federal funding to any hospitals or medical schools that provide gender-affirming medical care to youth. It also directed the Department of Health and Human Services "take all appropriate actions" under law to end access to care.
It defined a child as anyone younger than 19, including 18-year-olds whom federal and state laws generally presume to be adults.
Some U.S. hospitals, including in states in which gender-affirming care for youth is legal, have responded to the order by ....
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The American Academy of Family Physicians is using Elon as an example of gender affirming care.
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Anthony Lacy | Facebook
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I'm still locked out.Anthony Lacy | Facebook
My intense aversion to Faceplant is the conspicuous, flagrant security vulnerabilities it seems to impose.
If I could cyber-visit there the way I do here, I'd follow the link. But for now:
Legitimately?
I'm not sure wearing a toupee is a character failing. Hypocrisy may well be. Is Elon on record as opposing some medical procedure Elon himself has knowingly chosen?
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It's referring to surgical remedies for hair loss as well as the use of drugs/hormones.
On any only peripherally related note - I regularly see ads for "male supplements" that finish with "and she'll like it too".
On any only peripherally related note - I regularly see ads for "male supplements" that finish with "and she'll like it too".
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My bad.
I understood, but thought I might simplify by excluding the extraneous, mysterious. What % of our population know how a chemotherapy regime is administered?
I thought slapping on a rug might be a clearer mental image than imagining undergoing hormone therapy.
Either way I hope most persons can distinguish between follicular incompetence and moral failing.
What to call this thread?
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Happy Valentine's Day. I made you a cake
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Non-binary Canadian activist reflects on recently travelling through the U.S.: 'I didn't know if I was going to get detained'
N.L.-born activist Gemma Hickey flew through the U.S. last month, a couple of days after Trump's order recognizing only two sexes.
Morgan MullinLate last month, Gemma Hickey watched from a departure gate window as their luggage boarded a plane without them. Hickey, who is nonbinary and is one of Canada's biggest activists for 2SLGBTQ+ equality, had the sinking gut feeling this was something bigger than a simple airport mix-up.
An airline agent, according to Hickey, "just said, 'Too bad. The gate's closed and you can't get on.' And I said, 'I was here 15 minutes ago. You said I could go to the washroom. The gate is closed? I can see the luggage being loaded on the plane.' He had marked me down as a no-show. He said, 'There's nothing I can do.' Can you believe that?"
To say Hickey is no stranger to travel is an understatement. During the Newfoundland and Labrador-born activist's interview with Yahoo Canada, they're squeezing in a chat on a break during a whirlwind trip to the Philippines. There, Hickey is working with the organization they co-founded, Advocacy for Clergy Trauma Survivors Canada (ACTS Canada). This globe-trekking is simply part of the gig, where Hickey has seen themselves working on everything from aiding survivors of religious abuse globally to helping end Canada's gay blood ban and conversion therapy.
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Canadians shouldn't feel too complacent - after all, Canada has its own Trump wannabe (from the article)
I suspect most don't know what "2SLGBTQ" means Morgan.
It's disgraceful & puzzling that the politics of exclusionism, xenophobia, discrimination against minorities can / has:
a) succeeded within the democratic process, &
b) succeeded within a "nation of immigrants".
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They are making laws while admitting they don't understand what they are making laws about. Can they get any dumber? For the record, that's a question, not a challenge.
