Uvalde - the followup
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Thanks for this S2.
I don't recall the details, other than I was listening to the radio one day (years or decades ago), heard an "expert" say:
Some parents sincerely committed to the safety of their own child might believe vetoing their own child playing at the home of a neighbor with a gun made sense.
My recollection is, the expert said actually, statistically it's playing at the home with the swimming pool which is the greater danger to that child.
Whether it was a Freakonomics coauthor or not I don't recall.
BUT !!
Cinematographically #121 looks like a thoughtfully composed work of art.
I wonder if it will ever matter. (meaning: was it worth the effort?)(doesn't result in much political / legal action, but at least succeeds in preventing the issue from being forgotten?)
Do I remember this ? A few years ago?
note:
In New York State the governor is an elected position. Not sure what Georgia's problem is ...
... other than the obvious? Guns more important (to Georgia voters?) than children?
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#124
Anyone that's seen a few "westerns" on TV should know, even on the frontier, shooting an unarmed man discredits the shooter.
But massacring children plumbs the limit of self-disgrace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/
Looks like an old photo to me. And if the "31 school shootings" stat is as out-of-date as the pic, we're due for an update. Here's a more recent pic."31 school shootings" #124
Anyone that's seen a few "westerns" on TV should know, even on the frontier, shooting an unarmed man discredits the shooter.
But massacring children plumbs the limit of self-disgrace.
There have been 417 school shootings since Columbine
Through 2017, the country averaged about 11 school shootings a year, never eclipsing 16 in a single year. But starting in 2018, violent incidents started ...https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/
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And this from Colorado ....
Victims and mothers of those killed in the mass shooting at an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Colorado Springs in 2022 have filed lawsuits alleging that the murders could've been prevented if the sheriff's office used the state's red flag law after clear warning signs that the gunman intended to commit violence.
The plaintiffs in the two lawsuits, filed Sunday, include survivor Barrett Hudson, who still has three bullets in his body from that night, and other victims and relatives. They spoke about the legal action at a news conference Tuesday — which is the two year anniversary of the shooting at the nightclub, Club Q.
Families and victims also accuse the nightclub's owners in the lawsuit of winnowing Club Q's security detail from five or more people to just one in the years leading up to the shooting, prioritizing profits over safety.
"Club Q advertised itself as a 'safe place' for LGBTQIA+ individuals. But that was a façade," read both the complaints, which allege negligence among other allegations.
A central focus of both lawsuits was the El Paso County commissioners' and the then sheriff's refusal to enforce Colorado's red flag law passed in 2019, which allows law enforcement to temporarily take someone's firearm if they are deemed a threat to themselves or others.
Natalie Sosa, a spokesperson for El Paso County, said it does not comment on pending litigation.
The county commissioners and sheriff saw the red flag law as an encroachment on gun rights, and passed a resolution to be a "Second Amendment preservation county" and, alongside the then sheriff, vowed to "actively resist" the bill, according to court documents.
The lawsuits argue that .....
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Victims of 2022 mass shooting at an LGBTQ+ club sue county for not enforcing red flag laws
Families and victims also accuse the nightclub's owners in the lawsuit of winnowing Club Q's security detail from five or more people to just one in the years leading up to the shooting.Victims and mothers of those killed in the mass shooting at an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Colorado Springs in 2022 have filed lawsuits alleging that the murders could've been prevented if the sheriff's office used the state's red flag law after clear warning signs that the gunman intended to commit violence.
The plaintiffs in the two lawsuits, filed Sunday, include survivor Barrett Hudson, who still has three bullets in his body from that night, and other victims and relatives. They spoke about the legal action at a news conference Tuesday — which is the two year anniversary of the shooting at the nightclub, Club Q.
Families and victims also accuse the nightclub's owners in the lawsuit of winnowing Club Q's security detail from five or more people to just one in the years leading up to the shooting, prioritizing profits over safety.
"Club Q advertised itself as a 'safe place' for LGBTQIA+ individuals. But that was a façade," read both the complaints, which allege negligence among other allegations.
A central focus of both lawsuits was the El Paso County commissioners' and the then sheriff's refusal to enforce Colorado's red flag law passed in 2019, which allows law enforcement to temporarily take someone's firearm if they are deemed a threat to themselves or others.
Natalie Sosa, a spokesperson for El Paso County, said it does not comment on pending litigation.
The county commissioners and sheriff saw the red flag law as an encroachment on gun rights, and passed a resolution to be a "Second Amendment preservation county" and, alongside the then sheriff, vowed to "actively resist" the bill, according to court documents.
The lawsuits argue that .....
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Today's pro-tip
... a little pseudo-frontier humor from Matt Basterson ...
Uvaldi Surname Meaning
Historically, surnames evolved as a way to sort people into groups - by occupation, place of origin, clan affiliation, patronage, parentage, adoption, and even physical characteristics (like red hair). Many of the modern surnames in the dictionary can be traced back to Britain and Ireland.Shiftless2
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The only thing that thoughts and prayers accomplish is to make people feel good about doing nothing to address the problem.
S2,
What's displayed on your screen may differ from this. This happens to a small minority of your posts, haven't figured out why, yet.
Blunt.
Shocking. BUT !
Apparently not blunt, shocking enough.
Apparently.
NOT that children aren't important to the 2A's. BUT !!
Other people's children? That's a lower priority than their own children. AND
a lower priority than their own guns.
And the carnage continues.
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#131 repeated
Displacement?
It ennobles doing nothing? Implies the divine imprimatur?
"Broad-mindedness is the result of flattening high-mindedness out." George Saintsbury
Invoking the divine in this case is acceptance of the status quo, negligence through theology ... it is as god wills ...
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Even the excuse is a fairy-tale?
A gun is a force multiplier. It can empower the weak against the strong.
- but -
It can also expose / reveal priorities, as parodied in #135.
source: PBS NewsHour 24/12/19Shiftless2
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Re #136
Thing is, the GOP (better known as the NRA) have blocked every common sense attempt to ensure that only the second individual gets those bullets.
Thing is, the GOP (better known as the NRA) have blocked every common sense attempt to ensure that only the second individual gets those bullets.
- ha ! -
Tragically.
They're quite good at sloganeering. Not near as good at governance.
UNFORTUNATELY: they hold elective office, and
while sloganeering has a long-tenured history, since the American colonies, before THE Revolution: "No Taxation Without Representation"
it has peripheral utility in legislative governance.
Political sloganeering may have more substantial impact in political campaigns.
Thus capable sloganeers may be good enough to win an election, but falter badly once in office.
originally posted by S2Shiftless2
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From the link: "... the devices stored in a barn on his property, including devices marked “lethal.” Pipe bombs were also found ..." #139
That's useful information, but insufficient by itself.
During the search, was any subversive propaganda found? Hate-group literature?
THAT he had this doesn't explain WHY he had it.
- What did he have in mind?
- Did he have any associates?
- Who? Where? What do they have stashed in their barn?
- Who do they want to kill? Why?
and:
Are they serious?!
Our democratic republic was founded on premise not only of political differences, but on equitably resolving those differences.
We've applied this for centuries, and even if not deliberately, have risen to global dominance through the success of applying this formula.
What's the fantasy? That an arsenal of such explosives can be used to defeat the deficiencies of our system, blast our way to even greater success?
Really?
Or are they simply homicidal maniacs, aspiring mass-murderers?