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And it's not just Uncle Clarence
Trump Gets Triggered By Looming Criminal Charges & Melts Down
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"Uncle"? You mean Associate Injustice Thomas?
Our external enemies are formidable. Russia may not be able to win a nuclear war against the U.S.
But the U.S. can't win a nuclear war either.
But using a MIRV to locate smoldering craters where assets like the White House, the Capitol, and our Supreme Court building once stood would destroy valuable infrastructure.
But it wouldn't destroy the Constitution itself.
That is a danger our external enemies have left to MAGA. And our Constitution may be gone as soon as the day after inauguration day 2025.
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A couple of comments that turned up on FB
Ground for appeal?
Separately I've read Trump's legal team asserts they will:
a) appeal
b) win
a) Possibly.
b) Probably not.
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It's safe to say that they will appeal. No idea on what grounds tho - I've seen it suggested that Stormy Daniels testimony was sufficiently prurient to allow his team to claim that the jury was unfairly influenced.
Regardless, if he does launch an appeal that's enough to guarantee that a decision won't be reached until after the election.
Regardless, if he does launch an appeal that's enough to guarantee that a decision won't be reached until after the election.
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Re #523
I challenged that poster to explain the part about not knowing what crime he had committed and he said that's what the jury instructions said. I went back and reread them - the crime that Trump was charged with was clear - the jury instructions said that while the jury had to be unanimous in finding him guilty they didn't have to agree about motive (i.e., they didn't have to agree on which crime he was trying to cover up).
Meanwhile, back at the ranch
By Ryan J. Reilly
False reports about the jury instructions in former President Donald Trump's hush money trial have been spreading across right-wing media, leading to threats against the judge overseeing the case.
Several conservative news personalities, including some affiliated with Fox News, falsely claimed that New York state Judge Juan Merchan, as one Fox News anchor put it in a viral post on X, "told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict" Trump.
That's not true. Merchan instructed the jurors Wednesday that they "must conclude unanimously that a defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," adding that they "need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were."
That means that jurors have to agree unanimously that Trump committed a crime by engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify records with the intent to commit one or more other crimes to convict him. But jurors can choose from three options about what ....
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I challenged that poster to explain the part about not knowing what crime he had committed and he said that's what the jury instructions said. I went back and reread them - the crime that Trump was charged with was clear - the jury instructions said that while the jury had to be unanimous in finding him guilty they didn't have to agree about motive (i.e., they didn't have to agree on which crime he was trying to cover up).
Meanwhile, back at the ranch
False right-wing reports about Trump trial jury instructions fuel threats against judge
False reporting and social media commentary about the jury instructions in Trump's hush money trial have spurred calls for the assassination of the judge overseeing the case.By Ryan J. Reilly
False reports about the jury instructions in former President Donald Trump's hush money trial have been spreading across right-wing media, leading to threats against the judge overseeing the case.
Several conservative news personalities, including some affiliated with Fox News, falsely claimed that New York state Judge Juan Merchan, as one Fox News anchor put it in a viral post on X, "told the jury that they do not need unanimity to convict" Trump.
That's not true. Merchan instructed the jurors Wednesday that they "must conclude unanimously that a defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means," adding that they "need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were."
That means that jurors have to agree unanimously that Trump committed a crime by engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify records with the intent to commit one or more other crimes to convict him. But jurors can choose from three options about what ....
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However unfashionable it would actually be, this Republican -the naked emperor is fashionably attired- conspiracy threatens to make political metaphorical nudity fashionable, the norm.
Trump might not be able to stop that. BUT !! Trump could at least go public, and in a primetime address instruct each and all (supporters & others) to not break any law.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that ...
Kyler Alvord Sun, June 2, 2024 at 10:49 AM EDT
Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.
Countries that turn felons away include several of the United States' strongest allies, like the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada — the final of which will host the G7 summit of world leaders in 2025. The list also includes a number of nations at the center of pressing foreign policy issues, such as China, Israel and Mexico.
Related: Can Donald Trump Vote for Himself? Here’s What Florida Law Says About Felons
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On the bright side, if Trump presides from prison, that point would be moo. That's legal talk for they put it out to pasture.
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Trump might not be able to stop that. BUT !! Trump could at least go public, and in a primetime address instruct each and all (supporters & others) to not break any law.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that ...
Kyler Alvord Sun, June 2, 2024 at 10:49 AM EDT
Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.
Countries that turn felons away include several of the United States' strongest allies, like the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada — the final of which will host the G7 summit of world leaders in 2025. The list also includes a number of nations at the center of pressing foreign policy issues, such as China, Israel and Mexico.
Related: Can Donald Trump Vote for Himself? Here’s What Florida Law Says About Felons
Donald Trump Is Banned from 37 Countries as Convicted Felon, Including Major Allies Like Canada and U.K.
If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations
On the bright side, if Trump presides from prison, that point would be moo. That's legal talk for they put it out to pasture.
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And it begins ...
Newsmax Host Ominously Warns ‘You People in Your Cities’ Who Are ‘Pushing the Party That Owns 90% of the Guns’
Newsmax Host Ominously Warns ‘You People in Your Cities’ Who Are ‘Pushing the Party That Owns 90% of the Guns’
Newsmax host Carl Higbie went on a tirade on Friday after former President Donald Trump was convicted by a Manhattan jury the day before.www.mediaite.com
Livestream Abruptly Ends As Laura Loomer Calls For Democrats to be Executed
Livestream Abruptly Ends As Laura Loomer Calls For Democrats to be Executed
A broadcast by right-wing podcaster Tim Pool was cut short when guest Laura Loomer called for Democrats to be executed for "treason" after Trump conviction.
Maggie Haberman Reveals One Trump Grievance That Is ‘Never a Topic His Advisers Want Him Talking About’
Maggie Haberman Reveals One Trump Grievance That Is ‘Never a Topic His Advisers Want Him Talking About’
CNN commentator Maggie Haberman weighed on Donald Trump's diatribe at Trump Tower on Friday morning, where the former president slammed the guilty verdict he received the day before.
‘I Didn’t Say Lock Her Up’: Trump Distances Himself From Call to Jail Clinton
‘I Didn’t Say Lock Her Up’: Trump Distances Himself From Call to Jail Clinton
Former President Donald Trump denied ever calling to jail his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton in an interview with Fox News following his own conviction.
And it escalates,
only now it goes nucular (is that the correct Republican mispronunciation?).
Donald Trump says hush-money trial 'very hard' on wife Melania
The former president says he is "okay" with the possibility of being jailed after his New York conviction.BBC Home - Breaking News, World News, US News, Sports, Business, Innovation, Climate, Culture, Travel, Video & Audio
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The broadcast can be cut. But they can't unring the bell.
- The word is out.
- The idea is out.
- Next: the Constitution, & with it, civilization. And that friends & neighbors is how Republicans define victory.
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Convicted felon Trump could be banned from nearly 40 countries: report
Convicted felon Trump could be banned from nearly 40 countries: report
As a convicted felon, Donald Trump's travel options have whittled down substantially. While he prepares to appeal and awaits his sentencing on July 11 — Trump could be banned from entering 37 countries including Canada and the U.K. These countries maintain strictures that prohibit people with...
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Looming over Trump’s conviction: Reversal by the ‘13th juror’
Story by Erica Orden and Ben FeuerherdDonald Trump’s conviction has raised many political and legal questions, but at least one issue is not in doubt: whether he will appeal.
He might even win.
The former president has made no secret that he plans to challenge the verdict against him in the hush money case — and attorneys say he has an extensive menu of legal avenues to pursue. Some think he has a decent chance of a reversal.
“There is an appeal that could have legs,” said Arlo Devlin-Brown, a former federal prosecutor who was chief of the public corruption unit in the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s office.
Trump’s first chance to challenge the verdict will come within 30 days of his sentencing on July 11, at which point he can turn to New York’s First Judicial Department appellate court, not far from where he just stood trial. That court has such broad discretion to review jury findings that it’s sometimes called “the 13th juror.”
Their attack is expected to focus on a few key issues, including the legal theory that enabled prosecutors to transform 34 misdemeanor counts of falsifying business records into a felony case against the former president.
“We are going to take this as high and far as we need to, including to the U.S. Supreme Court, to vindicate President Trump's rights,” his attorney Will Scharf told CNN on Friday.
Unlike the trial that wrapped up with Thursday’s verdict, the appeal may focus on largely arcane legal issues — not the salacious evidence presented to ...
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I'm sure that this is legal (at least in Trump's mind)
www.propublica.org
Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign
Witnesses in the various criminal cases against the former president have gotten pay raises, new jobs and more. If any benefits were intended to influence testimony, that could be a crime.
www.propublica.org
Also some question about whether Florida law regarding voter eligibility for convicted felons applies.
Witness tampering?
"prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony." #534
Correct.
If the "perks or punishments" follow the verdict? In what other case would the $reward precede the performance, the job?
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Former Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina roundly debunked Republicans’ core conspiracy to delegitimize Donald Trump’s 34 felony convictions—that his conviction is a politically motivated attack from Biden—calling it “one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard.” Tacopina’s stinging rebuke was shared during a pre-taped interview with Al Sharpton on MSNBC’s PoliticsNation that aired Monday night.
“This is a state case,” said Tacopina. “This is different than the Jack Smith cases. This is not federal prosecution. Joe Biden—or anyone from his Justice Department—has absolutely zero to do with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office. They have no jurisdiction over him. They have no contacts with them. They have no control, certainly, over him. So to say that Joe Biden brought this case is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard. We know that’s not the case. And even Trump’s lawyers know that’s not the case.”
Doubling down, Tacopina added, “People who say that, it’s scary that they really don’t know the law or what they’re talking about.”
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This link also includes the same story as reported by
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Former Trump Lawyer Shatters Republicans’ Big Conviction Lie
Talia Jane / Tue, June 4, 2024 at 2:36 PM EDTFormer Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina roundly debunked Republicans’ core conspiracy to delegitimize Donald Trump’s 34 felony convictions—that his conviction is a politically motivated attack from Biden—calling it “one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard.” Tacopina’s stinging rebuke was shared during a pre-taped interview with Al Sharpton on MSNBC’s PoliticsNation that aired Monday night.
“This is a state case,” said Tacopina. “This is different than the Jack Smith cases. This is not federal prosecution. Joe Biden—or anyone from his Justice Department—has absolutely zero to do with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office. They have no jurisdiction over him. They have no contacts with them. They have no control, certainly, over him. So to say that Joe Biden brought this case is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve heard. We know that’s not the case. And even Trump’s lawyers know that’s not the case.”
Doubling down, Tacopina added, “People who say that, it’s scary that they really don’t know the law or what they’re talking about.”
Former Trump Lawyer Shatters Republicans’ Big Conviction Lie
Joe Tacopina has thrown cold water on Republicans’ biggest lie about Donald Trump’s hush-money trial.
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Bragg’s thrill kill in Manhattan could prove short-lived on appeal
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTORThe conviction of former President Donald Trump in Manhattan of 34 felonies produced citywide celebrations. This thrill-kill environment extended to the media, where former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace that it was “majestic day” and “a day to celebrate.” When I left the courthouse after watching the verdict come in, I was floored by the celebrations outside by both the public and some of the media.
The celebrants would be wise to think twice before mounting this trophy kill on the political wall. The Trump trial is a target-rich environment for an appeal, with multiple layers of reversible error, in my view.
I am less convinced by suggestions that the case could be challenged on the inability of Trump receiving a fair trial in a district that voted roughly 90 percent against him. The problem was not the jury, but ...
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Donald Trump in breach of £300,000 legal costs ruling after losing UK dossier case against former MI6 spy
A week after his conviction in the Stormy Daniels hush money case, Sky News can reveal the former US president has failed to comply with a UK High Court order in a separate legal matter.Paul Kelso
Donald Trump is in breach of a British High Court order to pay £300,000 in legal costs to the former spy who compiled a salacious dossier alleging Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
Sky News can reveal Trump has failed to comply with the costs order with Christopher Steele, the former MI6 agent who compiled the infamous document.
Trump was ordered to pay costs in February after the High Court threw out his attempt to sue Mr Steele's company Orbis Business Intelligence.
The former president claimed the report, which included unsubstantiated allegations of bribery and that he used sex workers while on a trip to Moscow, contained inaccuracies and breached his rights under the Data Protection Act.
The judge, Mrs Justice Steyn, did not make any judgment on the allegations but ruled ....
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