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Recent polling shows a majority of Americans support transgender and non-binary people living freely, reflecting a shift toward greater acceptance
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Recent polling shows a majority of Americans support transgender and non-binary people living freely, reflecting a shift toward greater acceptance
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As well they should.
And while this isn't intended to undermine the virtue of this support,
as an inquiry into the dynamic of simple practice:
do these medical associations benefit from this support? Perverse incentive?
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I don't see how they can.
A bigger tent means a larger constituency.
And embracing the cause expands political power (in a "democracy").
I discern you understand my #1,623 inquiry is not antagonistic, but rather more politically prophylactic.
If those that champion diversity are accused of doing so for self-interest, perhaps self-$gain at the expense of others, it undermines the coalition.
That's what we want to not do.
Mao-ser:
you talk like a commie.
In the United States of America political power grows from spectacular lies ... and the voting booth.
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Over to the Supreme Court
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I’ve been sitting with this one. The Supreme Court is preparing to hear a case about whether preschools that receive public funding can still turn away children from same-sex families. And I’ll be honest… this doesn’t sit right with me. If a school
I’ve been sitting with this one. The Supreme Court is preparing to hear a case about whether preschools that receive public funding can still turn away children from same-sex families. And I’ll be...
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In a striking act of defiance, just hours before a statewide ban came into force, Salt Lake City’s mayor moved to officially recognize the Pride, Transgender, and Juneteenth flags as city symbols. The decision highlights a firm stance on inclusion and visibility, even as restrictions on LGBTQ+ expression grow.
At a moment when debates around identity and representation are intensifying nationwide, the move signals clear support for LGBTQ+ communities and people of color—reaffirming a commitment to diversity, equality, and social progress.
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This year it falls on May 4-10 with trans history day on the 6th. Trans people have always been there and always will be.
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The Montana Supreme Court has upheld a lower court order blocking the enforcement of state policies that restricted transgender people from updating gender markers on birth certificates and driver’s licenses.
In a 5–2 decision in Kalarchik v. State of Montana, the court said the policies may violate protections against s-x discrimination under the Montana Constitution. The ruling keeps the restrictions on hold while the case continues in lower court.
The dispute began after Montana passed laws and agency rules limiting changes to identity documents. Transgender plaintiffs, supported by the ACLU, argued the policies created barriers and exposed people to harm when their identification did not match their gender identity.
The decision means transgender residents in Montana can continue updating certain state identification documents while the legal case moves forward.
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Can we get some factual clarification on this precise detail?
What does "trans" mean? An abbreviation of the word "transition"?
Superficially this may seem good news.
Broader spectrum isn't it alarming that such modest, appropriate due process is celebrated as a victory?
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Trans = transgender
Thanks S2.
I thought the technology to accomplish an actual transition, not just wardrobe modification, was on the spectrum of human history, quite recent.
In that context, I'm puzzled by #1,628.
?
" We have always been there ..." ? Three centuries ago?
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Yep - "Transgender people have existed throughout history, with documented examples spanning thousands of years, including Gala priestesses in ancient Sumeria (5000–3000 B.C.) and Roman figures like Emperor Elagabalus. Historical figures such as surgeon James Barry (1789–1865) and Lili Elbe (1882–1931) lived and transitioned despite limited medical understanding and social acceptance."
And from Wiki
Transgender history - Wikipedia
I'm eager to avoid debating the issue beyond acknowledging it's unlikely that surgical transitions were common before the invention of the scalpel.
What I am tenacious about is equal rights.
Their history is immaterial to that. They're here now. That's what matters.
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An individual doesn't have to go thru surgery to be trans.
But the first sex change operation dates to 1931.
Absolutely
I would prefer if a different label than "trans" had been picked.
The implication of "trans" sounds like an arbitrary decision to try transiting to something you are not already.
And I think it would be better if the term indicated trying to be more physically in tune with who you really always were.
Something like the word "fidelity", "resonance", "harmony"?
The implication of "trans" sounds like an arbitrary decision to try transiting to something you are not already.
And I think it would be better if the term indicated trying to be more physically in tune with who you really always were.
Something like the word "fidelity", "resonance", "harmony"?
The following is lay speculation from a high school grad., about human interaction in the early morning dark of the dawn of human history.
I may be the only one in the solar system to do so, but I distinguish between those that have the desire alone, and those that have both the desire, and the surgery.
I should beg your pardon in advance S2. By now you know I'm flagrantly literal-minded.
In reality I suspect "transgender" might not have meant much to jungle-dwelling foragers. Why?
Because the perception and self-perception of gender, and thus transgender presupposes gender norms. Back then they had the familiar male / female binaries. They also had bell-curve overlap.
Among proto-humans in clothing optional pre-society, if Sally preferred to hunt game instead of cook it, would the patriarch or matriarch have forbidden it?
Guessing wildly, such extended family or clan leadership may have been more interested in full employment than precise job / gender overlay.
But what part is the "gender" of an individual?
It is it the genitalia or mind?
If it is the mind that counts, then the trans person is not transitioning gender, but just ignoring or fixing the genitalia?
Yeah,
that was my reservation about S2's definition. It may apply today. But a few millennia before Christ?
Seems to me the best way to think of it is distinguishing between body & mind.
consider:
trans·gen·der (trăns-jĕndər, trănz-)
adj.
Relating to or being a person whose gender identity does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth.
n.
Offensive
One who is transgender.
Usage Note: Transgender is properly used as an adjective. Its use as a noun is offensive; phrases such as a transgender person or a person who is transgender are preferable. When referring to more than one person, the phrases transgender people or the transgender community can be used. · The term transsexual is older than transgender. Although the use of transsexual as a noun was once acceptable, nowadays, such use is usually considered offensive.
trans·sex·u·al (trăns-sĕksh-əl)
adj.
Relating to or being a person who has undergone medical treatment to change their body to match their gender identity.
n.
Often Offensive
A person who is transsexual. See Usage Note at transgender.
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