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a) - ha -
b) "Those who consider the Devil to be a partisan of Evil and angels to be warriors for Good accept the demagogy of the angels. Things are clearly more complicated." Milan Kundera
A generous share of mayhem has been perpetrated by ostensible Christians. Does that mean all Christians are bad?
Or might it instead mean Christianity is powerful, rendering it vulnerable to exploitation by those that would abuse that power?
In that case blanket condemnation of all Christendom punishes Christianity at both ends.
- Abusers of power may exploit Christianity.
- Based on the abuse, critics criticize the abuse, thereby punishing the victim.

#1,440 is hardly the meme that ruined the solar-system.
But the counterpoint may also warrant occasional mention.

counterpoint:
A broad diversity of views is welcome here at CitizenVoice.
These fora are a public service, to hone the skills of providing information, and effectively persuading our cyber-neighbors.

Example:
A talking serpent, & a pregnant virgin may seem sensible reasons for doubt about accounts disclosed in the Holy Bible.

Is that what matters most? Absolute scientific precision?
Even if as a discipline, a style of living, it makes the practitioner a better person?

Which is more important? That it's true (or not)? Or that it works?

It is not the role of CitizenVoice to make that determination. Instead,
It's the role of CitizenVoice to provide the forum, to enable members to arrive at an opinion
through a more methodical process. It's peer review not of the conclusion, but of the process.

Communication isn't as easy as it seems. Practice often.
 
The idea that Mary was a virgin is actually due to a mistranslation.

The original text of Isaiah said that the Messiah would be born of an "almah", a Hebrew word meaning young woman of marriageable age (and not all young women are virgins). However, when that was translated to Koine Greek the translator chose the Greek word "parthenos" which means virgin.
 
Shiftless2 said:
The idea that Mary was a virgin is actually due to a mistranslation.
The original text of Isaiah said that the Messiah would be born of an "almah", a Hebrew word meaning young woman of marriageable age (and not all young women are virgins). However, when that was translated to Koine Greek the translator chose the Greek word "parthenos" which means virgin.
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- alright -
Well, since we've switched sides ...
"These [Biblical] books existed in the oral tradition for hundreds of thousands of years. They finally wrote them down in Aramaic, later translated into Greek, & then Latin, and finally English,
hundreds and hundreds of revisions: and this is supposed to be absolute direct word of God. ... Jesus said love your enemies, Rush Limbaugh heard kill the fags." actor John Fugelsang
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I've become jaded enough about what has been presented as "history" to be broadly skeptical.
As a school boy I was taught George Washington confessed, - I cannot lie, I chopped down the cherry tree -
some scholarly opinion suggests it never happened.
Did Yamamoto help lead the Japanese military attack on the U.S. at Pearl Harbor, and then say:

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" ?

That's reportedly from the very end of the 1970 film Tora! Tora! Tora!

Without compelling reason to do otherwise I'm inclined to think of such "lessons of history" as accounts, stories
rather than factual certitudes.
Call it openmindedness. Call it skepticism.

In the case of holy scripture my personal view is it's an important relic of history strongly inspired by ancient, substantially preliterate, mythopoeic culture. Some of its wisdom as relevant today as ever. The Golden Rule comes to mind.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S.president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787

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"Every religion seems to me to produce a fundamentalist element, and they root that fundamentalism in the claim that they possess the only truth, and they're going to impose that truth on anybody that doesn't have it. Now we've done that as Christians in the past. We didn't like Galileo because we didn't think he quite understood where the sun was in relation to the Earth. We persecuted Jews. We did inquisitions. We had religious wars. We told women they were second class citizens. We today persecute gay and lesbian people constantly in the name of the god of love. I find that attitude appalling."

"I've had 16 death threats. None of them have come from Buddhists or atheists, they've all come from Bible quoting true believers, which I find rather interesting." Episcopal Bishop John S. Spong

My apology for the topic drift.
 
sear said:
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a) Kamala / Clinton
FOX' message: Democrats are losers.
True.
Republicans are liars / cheaters.

b) The Democrat ad referred to in this frame was a reminder that in the U.S. election process, ballots are secret.
The message was not that a women should lie to her man.
Instead the message was, IF her man is coercive, and dictatorial enough to instruct his woman for which candidate to vote
that she can vote as she wishes with impunity, free of coercion from him.
Therefore this frame is dismissive of the adversity some women face from such men.
 
sear said:
Instead the message was, IF her man is coercive, and dictatorial enough to instruct his woman for which candidate to vote that she can vote as she wishes with impunity, free of coercion from him.
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I've heard people say things like "My mother would disown me if I voted for ..." or "I don't dare vote for .... because of what my husband/boyfriend would do".

Both are completely ignoring the fact that their ballot is secret.
 
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To be clear, the boy just threatened her with rape and she was punished for defending herself.
 
Shiftless2 said:
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#1,450 has plausibly authentic appearance.

The following are props from a television broadcast.

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Those squeamish about "strong" meds could stick with soda pop, right?
Coca Cola had cocaine in it, eliciting "brand loyalty" (addiction) among customers.

Individuals, but perhaps even more so, U.S. culture is nutty about medication.
Removing the emotional panic, and replacing it with scientific objectivity would be far more constructive.
 
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