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[Rigby5]

Problem is, aggression dominates.

Putin is astoundingly primitive. Putin thinks the way to advantage Russia is to expand Russia's own borders.
Japan may be a useful counterexample.

The ideas that Dr. Deming carried to Japan were those of understanding basic statistical concepts and applying them to the understanding of industrial processes.

Deming'sStory

Either Russia is taught that waging War is not a viable means for Russian success in the 3rd millennium,
or the world will be at War with Russia in the 3rd millennium.

But I think you are forgetting that the Ukraine is historically part of Russian and is essential to Russia, not only in history and culture, but also in agriculture and defense.
Putin is not trying to "expand" Russia's borders, but simply to prevent them from shrinking.

The US essentially stole the Ukraine from Russia in 2014, by Hunter Biden bribing the ethnic Polish generals into taking over in the Maidan Coup.
That really would not be acceptable to any country.

 

[sear]

"... Ukraine is historically part of Russian" R5 #301

It's been both.

"... and is essential to Russia" R5 #301

And yet Russia prospered without Ukraine, from the only GHWB administration to Trump's second.

Russia can get along just fine without Ukraine, and Crimea for that matter.

"not only in history and culture, but also in agriculture and defense" R5 #301

"Defense"?
Against whom / what?
Chechens have made trouble for Russia. How is Russia acquiring some or all Ukraine going to solve that?

NATO expands. BUT !
I don't recall NATO expanding via aggressive military conquest.
To the contrary.
Rather than military invasion Russia style, NATO expands by non-member nations applying for acceptance into NATO's organization.

Russia pretending it must bristle with modern weaponry to defend against that is ridiculous.

"Putin is not trying to "expand" Russia's borders, but simply to prevent them from shrinking." R5 #301

- piffle -
Crimea disproves that.
And Putin massing his forces on Ukraine's border years ago, preparing for the currently ongoing War was not defensive.

Please cite an indication of Ukraine's territorial expansionism that necessitated Russia's current War in Ukraine.

 

[Rigby5]

It's been both.


And yet Russia prospered without Ukraine, from the only GHWB administration to Trump's second.

Russia can get along just fine without Ukraine, and Crimea for that matter.


"Defense"?
Against whom / what?
Chechens have made trouble for Russia. How is Russia acquiring some or all Ukraine going to solve that?

NATO expands. BUT !
I don't recall NATO expanding via aggressive military conquest.
To the contrary.
Rather than military invasion Russia style, NATO expands by non-member nations applying for acceptance into NATO's organization.

Russia pretending it must bristle with modern weaponry to defend against that is ridiculous.


- piffle -
Crimea disproves that.
And Putin massing his forces on Ukraine's border years ago, preparing for the currently ongoing War was not defensive.

Please cite an indication of Ukraine's territorial expansionism that necessitated Russia's current War in Ukraine.

I disagree.
Russia has never been without the Crimea or the Ukraine.
When Gorbachev dissolved the USSR in 1992, that did not change the Russian use of Sevastopol or the economic trade between the Ukraine and Russia.
It was not until the Ukraine illegally tried to prevent Russian use of Sevastopol that Russia was forced to retake the Crimea.
It is only the current attempt by Zelensky to join the EU and NATO that threatens Russia and what Russia cannot allow.

I would also counter that since NATO actually is the old colonial imperialists who invaded most of the world, their actual intent is incredibly aggressive and hostile.
There is nothing remotely defensive about NATO really.
Not only are the main actors of NATO the ones who started WWI, but they also illegally invaded or took out the leadership of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, the Ukraine, and Syria more recently.