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"Russia is multi cultural.
Poland is not." R5 #320

To the liberal Western mind "multi-cultural" might be considered a strength. Potentially it is.
It's also a potential source of internal social or political friction, able to lower the standard of living at the location of friction & beyond. That may advantage Poland.

 

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"The Polish are the Scythians who hated the Mongols and the Mongols hated them.
So odds are extremely high that a Crimea pleiscite would go Russia." R5 #320

That is one dynamic. Does such hatred survive generational change?
A travelogue from Vietnam noted the bitter hatred between North Vietnamese and Americans.
Yet generations born after the U.S. War there ended seem amenable to Westerners, including Americans.
Whether that's genetic, meaning characteristically human, a reliable behavioral trait,
whether generational progress would neutralize the hatreds you cite, I do not know. They did in Nam.
But there may be other factors, potentially determinative. Standard of Living would seem to me an obvious major factor. Are there others we've not mentioned?

 

[Rigby5]

To the liberal Western mind "multi-cultural" might be considered a strength. Potentially it is.
It's also a potential source of internal social or political friction, able to lower the standard of living at the location of friction & beyond. That may advantage Poland.

The reason "multi-cultural" is good in general is that isolated cultures often have lots of mistakes based on things like ignorance, arrogance, greed, tradition, etc.
When you have more cultures, they show by example what people are really like, and that allows you to dispel many of those cultural mistakes your own culture may have been guilty of.
Multi-cultural societies not only are more accepting, but are more accurate about what human nature really is and should be.

That is one dynamic. Does such hatred survive generational change?
A travelogue from Vietnam noted the bitter hatred between North Vietnamese and Americans.
Yet generations born after the U.S. War there ended seem amenable to Westerners, including Americans.
Whether that's genetic, meaning characteristically human, a reliable behavioral trait,
whether generational progress would neutralize the hatreds you cite, I do not know. They did in Nam.
But there may be other factors, potentially determinative. Standard of Living would seem to me an obvious major factor. Are there others we've not mentioned?

But the war in Vietnam was not personal, and instead was the machinations of distant powers who manipulated and forced the conflict on the people actually there or sent there.
In contrast, the evil hatred and violence by the Azov Battalion is local and current.
Those of ethnic 1700 Polish origins hate everyone else, and everyone else hates them for what they do.
The racism of the ethnic 1700 Polish is wrong, the hatred of that racism is accurate.

 

[sear]

R5,
It's not that your assertion quoted below it 100% false. It isn't.
Neither is it 100% true.
It's one side of a coin.

"Multi-cultural societies not only are more accepting, but are more accurate about what human nature really is and should be." R5 #323

And now, the other side of that coin:

Facts About Moscow's 2002 Hostage Crisis At The Dubrovka Theater​

Apr 6, 2022 ... On October 23, 2002, militant Chechen separatists took over the Dubrovka Theater in Moscow, Russia. For three days, they held some 800 ...

Please excuse this truncated post. Schedule intervenes. More later.

 

[Rigby5]

R5,
It's not that your assertion quoted below it 100% false. It isn't.
Neither is it 100% true.
It's one side of a coin.

And now, the other side of that coin:

Facts About Moscow's 2002 Hostage Crisis At The Dubrovka Theater​

Apr 6, 2022 ... On October 23, 2002, militant Chechen separatists took over the Dubrovka Theater in Moscow, Russia. For three days, they held some 800 ...

Please excuse this truncated post. Schedule intervenes. More later.

{...
The Moscow theater hostage crisis, also known as the 2002 Nord-Ost siege, was the seizure of the crowded Dubrovka Theater in Moscow by Chechen terrorists on 23 October 2002, resulting in the taking of 912 hostages. The attackers, led by Movsar Barayev, claimed allegiance to the rebel breakaway movement in Chechnya.
They demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya and an end to the Second Chechen War. The crisis ended when Russian security services released sleeping gas into the building, and subsequently stormed it, killing all 40 hostage takers. 132 hostages died, largely due to the effects of the gas.

Due to the layout of the theater, special forces would have had to fight through 30 metres (100 ft) of corridor and advance up a well-defended staircase before they could reach the hall in which the hostages were held. The attackers had numerous explosives, with the most powerful in the center of the auditorium. Spetsnaz operators from Federal Security Service (FSB) Alpha and Vympel, supported by a Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) SOBR unit, pumped a chemical agent into the building's ventilation system and began the rescue operation.

The identity of the gas was not disclosed at the time, although it was believed to have been a fentanyl derivative.
A study published in 2012 concluded that it had been a mixture of carfentanil and remifentanil.
The same study pointed out that in a 2011 case at the European Court of Human Rights, the Russian government stated that the aerosol used was a mixture of a fentanyl derivative and a chemical compound with a narcotic action.
...}
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

It is not hard to sympathize with Chechen separatists since Russia has a history of being heavy handed.
But I do not fully understand the motives of such violence in this particular event?

But if your point is that Russia is not all that multi-ethnic tolerant, I tend to agree.