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sear said:
Problem is, aggression dominates.

Putin is astoundingly primitive. Putin thinks the way to advantage Russia is to expand Russia's own borders.
Japan may be a useful counterexample.

The ideas that Dr. Deming carried to Japan were those of understanding basic statistical concepts and applying them to the understanding of industrial processes.

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Either Russia is taught that waging War is not a viable means for Russian success in the 3rd millennium,
or the world will be at War with Russia in the 3rd millennium.
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But I think you are forgetting that the Ukraine is historically part of Russian and is essential to Russia, not only in history and culture, but also in agriculture and defense.
Putin is not trying to "expand" Russia's borders, but simply to prevent them from shrinking.

The US essentially stole the Ukraine from Russia in 2014, by Hunter Biden bribing the ethnic Polish generals into taking over in the Maidan Coup.
That really would not be acceptable to any country.
 
Rigby5 said:
"... Ukraine is historically part of Russian" R5 #301
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It's been both.

Rigby5 said:
"... and is essential to Russia" R5 #301
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And yet Russia prospered without Ukraine, from the only GHWB administration to Trump's second.

Russia can get along just fine without Ukraine, and Crimea for that matter.

Rigby5 said:
"not only in history and culture, but also in agriculture and defense" R5 #301
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"Defense"?
Against whom / what?
Chechens have made trouble for Russia. How is Russia acquiring some or all Ukraine going to solve that?

NATO expands. BUT !
I don't recall NATO expanding via aggressive military conquest.
To the contrary.
Rather than military invasion Russia style, NATO expands by non-member nations applying for acceptance into NATO's organization.

Russia pretending it must bristle with modern weaponry to defend against that is ridiculous.

Rigby5 said:
"Putin is not trying to "expand" Russia's borders, but simply to prevent them from shrinking." R5 #301
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- piffle -
Crimea disproves that.
And Putin massing his forces on Ukraine's border years ago, preparing for the currently ongoing War was not defensive.

Please cite an indication of Ukraine's territorial expansionism that necessitated Russia's current War in Ukraine.
 
sear said:
It's been both.


And yet Russia prospered without Ukraine, from the only GHWB administration to Trump's second.

Russia can get along just fine without Ukraine, and Crimea for that matter.


"Defense"?
Against whom / what?
Chechens have made trouble for Russia. How is Russia acquiring some or all Ukraine going to solve that?

NATO expands. BUT !
I don't recall NATO expanding via aggressive military conquest.
To the contrary.
Rather than military invasion Russia style, NATO expands by non-member nations applying for acceptance into NATO's organization.

Russia pretending it must bristle with modern weaponry to defend against that is ridiculous.


- piffle -
Crimea disproves that.
And Putin massing his forces on Ukraine's border years ago, preparing for the currently ongoing War was not defensive.

Please cite an indication of Ukraine's territorial expansionism that necessitated Russia's current War in Ukraine.
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I disagree.
Russia has never been without the Crimea or the Ukraine.
When Gorbachev dissolved the USSR in 1992, that did not change the Russian use of Sevastopol or the economic trade between the Ukraine and Russia.
It was not until the Ukraine illegally tried to prevent Russian use of Sevastopol that Russia was forced to retake the Crimea.
It is only the current attempt by Zelensky to join the EU and NATO that threatens Russia and what Russia cannot allow.

I would also counter that since NATO actually is the old colonial imperialists who invaded most of the world, their actual intent is incredibly aggressive and hostile.
There is nothing remotely defensive about NATO really.
Not only are the main actors of NATO the ones who started WWI, but they also illegally invaded or took out the leadership of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, the Ukraine, and Syria more recently.
 
sear said:
Russia's desire for a warm water port is well known to many a high school student.

Many nations are landlocked. They don't cease to exist because of it. They adapt.
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Like the Ukraine, the Crimea is traditionally part of Russia.
It was only given to the Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1954 because he secretly was a Ukrainian.
But he actually did not have the legal authority to give the Crimea away like that.

Any landlocked country would cease to exist if some crazy, belligerent country like the US was constantly attacking them.
 
BUSINESS INSIDER

Ukraine is turning private companies loose on Russian attack drones​

By Jake Epstein
Ukraine's military is letting private companies join in the air defense fight as Russia bombards the country with a growing number of attack drones.
Twenty-seven Ukrainian companies from across the country have already joined the first-of-its-kind initiative, an experimental program that allows them to form their own air defense units. Some of them have already logged combat missions.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov recently told reporters during an update meeting that the number of companies applying to join the program is growing weekly. He said there's a "strong business interest in this initiative, which provides an additional means of protecting personnel and industrial capacity."
www.businessinsider.com

Ukraine is turning private companies loose on Russian attack drones

Dozens of companies have joined an experimental program to participate in Ukrainian air defense operations.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

It's about time!
The West beat the Soviets in Cold War by substituting competition in industrial production for martial attrition.
The Soviets had feeble relations with allies, none capable of increasing the Soviets to Western parity. The End

China has emerged as an industrial powerhouse.
But for apparently obvious reasons China doesn't seem particularly interested in infusing a megalomaniac like Putin with the power to easily accomplish territorial conquest.
 
sear said:
BUSINESS INSIDER

Ukraine is turning private companies loose on Russian attack drones​

By Jake Epstein
Ukraine's military is letting private companies join in the air defense fight as Russia bombards the country with a growing number of attack drones.
Twenty-seven Ukrainian companies from across the country have already joined the first-of-its-kind initiative, an experimental program that allows them to form their own air defense units. Some of them have already logged combat missions.
Ukrainian Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov recently told reporters during an update meeting that the number of companies applying to join the program is growing weekly. He said there's a "strong business interest in this initiative, which provides an additional means of protecting personnel and industrial capacity."
www.businessinsider.com

Ukraine is turning private companies loose on Russian attack drones

Dozens of companies have joined an experimental program to participate in Ukrainian air defense operations.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

It's about time!
The West beat the Soviets in Cold War by substituting competition in industrial production for martial attrition.
The Soviets had feeble relations with allies, none capable of increasing the Soviets to Western parity. The End

China has emerged as an industrial powerhouse.
But for apparently obvious reasons China doesn't seem particularly interested in infusing a megalomaniac like Putin with the power to easily accomplish territorial conquest.
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This is really what the anti-Bolshevik propaganda has always been about.
Not just to scare voters, but to provide a way to funnel tax dollars into private pockets.
The Ukraine was the one who started attacking utilities and infrastructure in Russia with drones.
So Russia is just retaliating in kind.
And this is just a way of profiting from US taxes.
 
The widely accepted perception is whatever provocations from decades past cited as relevant to the current War,
Russia is the unmistakable aggressor.
This perception is based on a broad diversity of evidence, chiefly including the initial invasion occurred after Russia massed military forces on Ukraine's border.
Rigby5 said:
"The Ukraine was the one who started attacking utilities and infrastructure in Russia with drones." R5 #307
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Even if so, substantially immaterial, as Russian forces have inflicted similar destruction on Ukraine, albeit with occupying military forces.

To participate at all, Ukraine is forced into asymmetric warfare. Please bear in mind, not just for years, not just for decades, but for generations straddling the millennial change,
Russia has been considered a global superpower.

Ukraine never was.

Ukraine hasn't had the resources to spare to roll tanks & troops into Russia to parity, mirror Russia's destruction in Ukraine. That's how asymmetric warfare works.
 
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