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If you spend enough time in a real hardcore gym your idea of what constitutes "normal" changes to reflect the people around you. The people you see outside become the "weird" ones.
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A gym,
a mosque,
a legislature,
a boardroom, ...
The context for our world-view is our daily experience. That's why:
- to a cowboy eligible young women look like heifers,
- to a seasoned COP every citizen looks like a suspect,
- to every member of congress constituents looks like a problem, and potential political reelection campaign $donors.
Those that doubt the importance of context should heed psychologist Joy Browne, who reminds that doughnut holes are defined by context.
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I did consider putting this in the "Second Term" thread but figured it belonged here as well
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BREAKING: Elon Musk's estranged daughter Vivian Wilson brutally demolishes him in a viral new interview with Teen Vogue, says that the "Nazi salute sh*t was insane" and "I don't give a f*ck about him."
She slammed him as a "pathetic man-child" and she wasn't even close to done there...
When asked by the magazine about her relationship with her MAGA oligarch father, Vivian — who changed her surname to Wilson because she "doesn’t "wish to be related to [her] biological father in any way, shape or form" — stated that she rarely thinks about him.
"I'm not giving anyone that space in my mind. The only thing that gets to live free in my mind is drag queens," she joked.
Wilson, who is transgender, pushed back hard against the MAGA war on trans Americans, saying: "I don't feel like people realize that being trans is not a choice."
"Obviously, it's not just trans people that are affected by the current administration," she said, adding that "marginalized groups such as undocumented immigrants and people of color" are also at risk.
"[I’m] really trying to do more advocacy on that front, since the current administration has kind of been like a wrecking ball in that regard," she added.
Teen Vogue also took a shot at Elon Musk's infamously embarrassing social media presence, asking Wilson about the fact that right-wingers are "actually pretty bad at posting."
"They're not funny. You have to be funny," replied Wilson. "Most of them have the charisma of a soaking bathrobe. I mean, it's not my fault that most of them don't know how to be funny. It's not that hard."
When asked if she thinks that America is moving in the "right direction," Wilson didn't hold back.
"In terms of politics? No. It’s terrifying," she said. "Every time I open my phone to read the news, I kind of just stare at the wall for 10 minutes. It's horrifying what they're doing, not only to the trans community, but also to migrants, to communities of color, to so many marginalized communities that are being systematically targeted by the new administration and having protections revoked. It's cartoonishly evil."
Teen Vogue then asked her if political discussion, particularly about her father, dominates her day-to-day life—
"No, it doesn't. It really doesn't," replied Wilson. "I mean, I'll see things about him in the news and think, That's f*cking cringe, I should probably post about this and denounce it, which I have done a few times."
"The Nazi salute sh*t was insane," she went on. "Honey, we're going to call a fig a fig, and we're going to call a Nazi salute what it was. That sh*t was definitely a Nazi salute. The crowd is equally to blame, and I feel like people are not talking about that. That crowd should be denounced."
"But other than that, I don't give a f**k about him. I really don't," she continued. "It's annoying that people associate me with him. I just don't have any room to care anymore."
"When I initially did the whole thing, when he came for me, the Jordan Peterson interview, that was the most cathartic moment of my entire life by far," she said. "I had all this pent-up energy, I had wanted to speak out for so long after being [essentially] defamed in a book, after being doxxed."
"Everything that had gone on — especially in my childhood — when that finally happened, it was the most cathartic experience I have ever had," she continued. "And then I was like, Okay, whatever."
"Do you ever feel scared? He's the richest man in the world," asked Teen Vogue.
"He's a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him?" replied Wilson. "Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don't give a f*ck. Why should I be scared of this man?
Because he's rich? Oh, no, I'm trembling."
"Ooh, shivering in my boots here," she joked. "I don't give a f**k how much money anyone has. I don't. I really don't. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations."
"People thrive off of fear," Wilson added. "I'm not giving anyone that space in my mind. The only thing that gets to live free in my mind are drag queens."
Teen Vogue asked her for more specifics on her politics, particularly if she considers herself a Marxist.
"I’m a leftist, not a Marxist. I describe myself by the things that I personally believe in and the things that I feel are pretty common sense, if you think about it for more than two seconds," said Wilson.
"I believe in [universal basic income]. I believe in free health care. I believe food, shelter, and water are human rights," she continued. "I believe that wealth inequality is one of the biggest problems of the United States right now, especially of our generation."
"I feel like workers should be fairly compensated for the work that they do, and I don't feel like wealth should be hoarded by these mega-billionaires who are the top 1%, who only have their own interests at heart," she said. "I've met some of these billionaires — they're not very good people. I don't think any of them are."
"Do you think your parents influenced your politics?" asked Teen Vogue.
"Seeing that kind of wealth — extravagant wealth — firsthand, while living in Los Angeles and seeing the [huge] homelessness problem, the wealth gap…" said Wilson. "You start to wonder, How is this fair? You have to inevitably come to the conclusion it's not. There is no world in which people should be owning multiple private planes, private islands, private whatever, while other people are sleeping on the street."
Recapping her relationship with her father, Wilson was succint—
"I haven't talked to him since 2020. That was almost half a decade ago at this point. Thank God," she said.
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BREAKING: Elon Musk's estranged daughter Vivian Wilson brutally demolishes him in a viral new interview with Teen Vogue, says that the "Nazi salute sh*t was insane" and "I don't give a f*ck about him."
She slammed him as a "pathetic man-child" and she wasn't even close to done there...
When asked by the magazine about her relationship with her MAGA oligarch father, Vivian — who changed her surname to Wilson because she "doesn’t "wish to be related to [her] biological father in any way, shape or form" — stated that she rarely thinks about him.
"I'm not giving anyone that space in my mind. The only thing that gets to live free in my mind is drag queens," she joked.
Wilson, who is transgender, pushed back hard against the MAGA war on trans Americans, saying: "I don't feel like people realize that being trans is not a choice."
"Obviously, it's not just trans people that are affected by the current administration," she said, adding that "marginalized groups such as undocumented immigrants and people of color" are also at risk.
"[I’m] really trying to do more advocacy on that front, since the current administration has kind of been like a wrecking ball in that regard," she added.
Teen Vogue also took a shot at Elon Musk's infamously embarrassing social media presence, asking Wilson about the fact that right-wingers are "actually pretty bad at posting."
"They're not funny. You have to be funny," replied Wilson. "Most of them have the charisma of a soaking bathrobe. I mean, it's not my fault that most of them don't know how to be funny. It's not that hard."
When asked if she thinks that America is moving in the "right direction," Wilson didn't hold back.
"In terms of politics? No. It’s terrifying," she said. "Every time I open my phone to read the news, I kind of just stare at the wall for 10 minutes. It's horrifying what they're doing, not only to the trans community, but also to migrants, to communities of color, to so many marginalized communities that are being systematically targeted by the new administration and having protections revoked. It's cartoonishly evil."
Teen Vogue then asked her if political discussion, particularly about her father, dominates her day-to-day life—
"No, it doesn't. It really doesn't," replied Wilson. "I mean, I'll see things about him in the news and think, That's f*cking cringe, I should probably post about this and denounce it, which I have done a few times."
"The Nazi salute sh*t was insane," she went on. "Honey, we're going to call a fig a fig, and we're going to call a Nazi salute what it was. That sh*t was definitely a Nazi salute. The crowd is equally to blame, and I feel like people are not talking about that. That crowd should be denounced."
"But other than that, I don't give a f**k about him. I really don't," she continued. "It's annoying that people associate me with him. I just don't have any room to care anymore."
"When I initially did the whole thing, when he came for me, the Jordan Peterson interview, that was the most cathartic moment of my entire life by far," she said. "I had all this pent-up energy, I had wanted to speak out for so long after being [essentially] defamed in a book, after being doxxed."
"Everything that had gone on — especially in my childhood — when that finally happened, it was the most cathartic experience I have ever had," she continued. "And then I was like, Okay, whatever."
"Do you ever feel scared? He's the richest man in the world," asked Teen Vogue.
"He's a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him?" replied Wilson. "Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don't give a f*ck. Why should I be scared of this man?
Because he's rich? Oh, no, I'm trembling."
"Ooh, shivering in my boots here," she joked. "I don't give a f**k how much money anyone has. I don't. I really don't. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations."
"People thrive off of fear," Wilson added. "I'm not giving anyone that space in my mind. The only thing that gets to live free in my mind are drag queens."
Teen Vogue asked her for more specifics on her politics, particularly if she considers herself a Marxist.
"I’m a leftist, not a Marxist. I describe myself by the things that I personally believe in and the things that I feel are pretty common sense, if you think about it for more than two seconds," said Wilson.
"I believe in [universal basic income]. I believe in free health care. I believe food, shelter, and water are human rights," she continued. "I believe that wealth inequality is one of the biggest problems of the United States right now, especially of our generation."
"I feel like workers should be fairly compensated for the work that they do, and I don't feel like wealth should be hoarded by these mega-billionaires who are the top 1%, who only have their own interests at heart," she said. "I've met some of these billionaires — they're not very good people. I don't think any of them are."
"Do you think your parents influenced your politics?" asked Teen Vogue.
"Seeing that kind of wealth — extravagant wealth — firsthand, while living in Los Angeles and seeing the [huge] homelessness problem, the wealth gap…" said Wilson. "You start to wonder, How is this fair? You have to inevitably come to the conclusion it's not. There is no world in which people should be owning multiple private planes, private islands, private whatever, while other people are sleeping on the street."
Recapping her relationship with her father, Wilson was succint—
"I haven't talked to him since 2020. That was almost half a decade ago at this point. Thank God," she said.
"You're welcome." god
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Conspicuous twaddle.
They have no legitimate argument.
So they spew absurdities. Their minions devour it hungrily. Their rational opponents are stymied.
Refuting drivel is folly.
The sycophants of fools won't listen. The rational patriotic mind already knows. Thus, pointless, even when true.
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Difficult to imagine a conspiracy of liars on this top echelon federal scale that would not also involve hypocrisy.
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Research on HIV prevention, LGBTQ youth suicide, preventive care for LGBTQ Americans, and on keeping LGBTQ seniors healthy were defunded. Most likely because the conservative administration is actively seeking to harm the LGBTQ+ community. They want to create an environment that will kill those individuals.
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Kill them?
Neutralize their vote?
We know what.
If / when we know why, we then know what to expect next.
Apparently Trump's intention is political supremacy, or perhaps, supremacy.
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It truly sucks how real this is
Psychologist Joy Browne reports: ask a couple what cocktail party conversation topic they're most sensitive about they'll often cite $money.
Browne PhD says no. They're likely more sensitive about their own children. Familiar clichés include:
"That's my boy!"
"Chip off the ol' block!"
"The family resemblance is unmistakable."
There's an alarming conclusion just barely beyond my limited grasp here.
Perhaps it's as simple is they're victims of their own bigotry. "Trans" trumps "son" or "daughter".
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Lots of examples but one that stands out is the "Christians" who claim that there are only two genders "bEcAuSe ThE BiBLe SaYs" when Judaism recognizes eight genders and the First Human (ha'adam) was both male and female, like the God in whose image they were made (see Gen. Rabbah 8:1, Ber. 61a, Eruvin 18a, etc.). The gender binary is Imperialist Christian nonsense.
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Elon Musk may dominate headlines with his bold ventures and larger-than-life persona, but his estranged daughter, Vivian Jenna Wilson, is making waves of her own—for very different reasons. Fiercely independent and outspoken, Vivian hasn’t held back in voicing her disdain for her billionaire father. In a no-holds-barred interview with *Teen Vogue* in March 2025, she bluntly declared, “I don’t give a f--- about him,” making it clear that she no longer wants to be associated with the Tesla CEO.
Born on April 15, 2004, in Los Angeles to Musk and his then-wife, Canadian author Justine Musk, Vivian was one half of a twin pair, alongside her brother Griffin. Their birth came two years after the tragic loss of their older brother, Nevada Alexander, who died of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) at just 10 weeks old. Vivian also has three younger brothers—triplets Kai, Saxon, and Damian—as well as several half-siblings from Musk’s other relationships. In her signature dry humor, she joked with *Teen Vogue* that her “fun fact” is that she doesn’t even know how many siblings she has. With Musk reportedly having 14 children by 2025, her confusion is understandable.
But it was in 2020 that Vivian made a defining break from her father. After coming out as transgender, she legally changed her name, explaining that she no longer wished “to be related to [her] biological father in any way, shape or form.” Her transition was met with unwavering support from her mother, but Musk’s reaction was far from accepting. In a 2024 interview with Jordan Peterson, Musk claimed he was “tricked” into allowing Vivian to receive gender-affirming care at 16. She fiercely refuted his claims, calling him out on Threads and telling NBC News that he was fully aware of the “full side effects” of her treatment. In a scathing post, she accused Musk of fabricating stories about her childhood, stating, “He quite simply wasn’t there.”
Vivian’s disillusionment with her father is matched by her growing voice as a social critic. She has openly condemned the stark inequality she witnessed growing up in Los Angeles, where her family’s “extravagant wealth” stood in jarring contrast to the city’s homeless population. “You start to wonder, How is this fair?” she told *Teen Vogue*. “There is no world in which people should be owning multiple private planes, private islands, private whatever, while other people are sleeping on the street.”
Now 21, Vivian has charted her own course far from her father’s tech empire. She left the United States and moved to Tokyo, where she’s studying French, Spanish, and Japanese with dreams of becoming a translator. But her growing online following has her contemplating other career paths—modeling, Twitch streaming, and even reality television. With her signature wit, she confessed, “It is my absolute dream to be on a reality show, which I know is absolutely pathetic. As an overdramatic little queer, reality shows are something I adore beyond belief.”
While she may share a last name with one of the world’s most powerful men, Vivian Jenna Wilson is determined to make sure that’s where the connection ends.
In this 2nd Trump administration we have gender reassignment technology unavailable in most centuries past.
If "trans" is an abbreviation of "transformed" the diminutive Simpson may seem in error.
Is there a better designation for a body vs mind gender mis-match? "Non-cis"?
Faithful, vehement Christians might reflexively defend Christianity for selfish reason.
I defend the faith here, but perhaps not for the reason devout Christians might.
Independent of sincerity or guile, the divine imprimatur can exempt the argument from substantive debate: "... bEcAuSe ThE BiBLe SaYs" #616
"Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel"? Or instead perhaps the church.
I may never learn this lesson.
My premise: most books written not worth reading. most movies not worth seeing, most TV broadcast not worth viewing.
Because of my own personal bias I assume nobody watches "reality" TV. - wrong -
Are there relevant elements therein I'm simply not aware of?
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Therapy isn't going to help someone who not only doesn't want to change but is also convinced that they're in the right so they don't need to.
And that my cyber-friend is why god invented the firing squad.
Fear & hope can be a yin-yang of an individual's outlook *. Bigots are victims of succumbing to their own paranoia.
And while it degrades the life experience of the bigot, it also degrades the society.
Bigotry, xenophobia are conspicuously ridiculous within a nation of immigrants.
Diversity is a strength. And the orange menace & his MAGA hordes are frantically trying to obscure it.
That's a disgrace we can trace directly to the doorstep at #1600 Penn. Ave. BUT !!
There's a disgrace a million times greater. Not merely that this knuckle-dragger was elected president of the United States.
This knuckle-dragger was elected president of the United States again !
To the cognitively adequate that is a disgrace that cannot be escaped from.
* "Plan for the worst. Hope for the best."