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[Rigby5]

Yes.
No.

The post-capitalism notion was a script detail which accomplished the following:
- it enabled the televiewer to imagine both a somewhat more utopian world beyond our own monetized experience of the $wage $slave. Why do that? To suggest the episode characters acted as a matter of conviction, principle, rather than servitude, financial obligation.
- That enabled audience members to not be distracted about why the actors costumes didn't have a wallet pocket, etc.

The advent of the automobile, the horseless carriage was protested in part because it would end employment of the buggy-whip manufacturers. They were substantially correct.
What will happen when A.I. / automation / intelligent dexterous robots displace human laborers? Unemployment will exceed 50%? Then $what ?!

I'm a fan of the History Channel series Alone. By watching it I realized what accounts for our prosperity is division of labor, vastly more efficient than each individual attending to their own needs directly, growing their own food, building their own car, etc.
Subsequently I realized division of labor is not practical without $money.
Some may perceive money to be an annoyance, one more thing to have to fuss about. I believe it is an indispensable component of modern society, the linchpin of division of labor.

Even if madness ensues, and citizens receive a survivable stipend from fully automated industry, not clear to me how that could be, without money.
I suspect, when we're rid of money, we're also rid of human society.


It was only half a century ago. How could you forget ?! Something else on your mind?

note:
MeTV [memorable entertainment TV] broadcasts these old TV series. Nostalgia fans may wish to set the DVR ... . Next up?

Star Trek​

A Private Little War​

Season 2; Episode 19 (1968)
William Shatner (Capt. James T. Kirk), Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock), DeForest Kelley (Dr. Leonard McCoy) / Director: Marc Daniels

A power struggle between the Federation and the Klingon Empire ensnares a primitive society Kirk once visited.

I think they were shooting for a pretty abstract human society in Star Trek.
Since they had anti-matter reactions, they were claiming free energy, and with replicators, that energy then could make whatever you wanted.
But I think that was only the Federation, since the Ferengi were not free of money.

 

[sear]

https://citizenvoice.us/threads/obituary-there-they-go.419/page-11 #209

"My hair has not changed yet.
My eyebrows show a lot of silver however." R5

They say that's good jeans. Levi's I imagine.

"Since hummingbirds have to migrate, we see lots of them in NM.
We fill the feeders in spring and fall, and I have seen half a dozen feeding at the same time." R5

In upState NY we have hummingbirds.
Neighbors attract them with baskets of flowers with trumpet-shaped blossoms.
Feeders? Fine. BUT !
Some well-meaning birders may imagine natural feed best for hummingbirds.
Experts say no!


Backyard Bird Shophttps://backyardbirdshop.com › keep-facts-mind-feeding-hummingbirds

Facts to Keep in Mind when Feeding Hummingbirds​

Never use honey in a hummingbird feeder! Honey can cause a fatal fungus infection on the tongue. ... Change the solution every four or five days and thoroughly ...



National Zoohttps://nationalzoo.si.edu › migratory-birds › hummingbird-nectar-recipe

Hummingbird Nectar Recipe - National Zoo​

Directions for making safe hummingbird food: · Mix 1 part sugar with 4 parts water (for example, 1 cup of sugar with 4 cups of water) until the sugar is ...



Counterintuitive?
Seems so to me.

On my hilltop we have a few hummingbirds. BUT !
We also have some critters I didn't know existed until I saw them here on my own land.



They're Hummingbird Moths. Like Hummingbirds they dine in flight, without landing on / weighing down the blossom.

I'm w/ Bugs on this. Awesome.

 

[sear]

I think they were shooting for a pretty abstract human society in Star Trek.
Since they had anti-matter reactions, they were claiming free energy, and with replicators, that energy then could make whatever you wanted.

The result being a literary / conceptual reciprocity, like a seesaw.
By avoiding mundane detail it concentrates reader / audience attention on what remains. Avoid distraction.
When discussing computers, not "megs", but "giga-quads".
For retail transactions, "credits", not "green-backs".
- fine -
BUT !

"But I think that was only the Federation, since the Ferengi were not free of money." R5 #61

Back then I had a conversation about this with a Black friend. Not a lot of dark skin among Star Trek characters.
Our brief conversation addressed that, and also in this Sci-Fi fantasy, the species preoccupied with $money.

During that Star Trek era, the broader society, U.S. society sometimes portrayed Jews as being preoccupied with money,
and having big noses, & perhaps being short in stature. Not many Jews in the NBA.

Ferengi, preoccupied with money, short in stature, not big noses, but big ears
were a sci-fi wink & a nod allusion to Jews?

As in S2 #54 the utility of sci-fi societal satire is degraded or lost if the viewer can't relate.

So Ferengi were interstellar Jews, tight-wads?

This is a peril common to satire / social comment.
If too obscure, we can't relate the fiction to reality.
If not obscure enough, we risk offense.
The goldilocks zone between those opposite modes of failure can be quite narrow.

I'm not wild about that, BUT !
As the Holy book teaches, there's always a serpent in Paradise.
Striving for perfection can be a source of improvement.
Expecting to achieve perfection can be a source of disappointment.
Life goes on.

 

[Rigby5]

https://citizenvoice.us/threads/obituary-there-they-go.419/page-11 #209

They say that's good jeans. Levi's I imagine.


In upState NY we have hummingbirds.
Neighbors attract them with baskets of flowers with trumpet-shaped blossoms.
Feeders? Fine. BUT !
Some well-meaning birders may imagine natural feed best for hummingbirds.
Experts say no!

View attachment 5709
Backyard Bird Shophttps://backyardbirdshop.com › keep-facts-mind-feeding-hummingbirds

Facts to Keep in Mind when Feeding Hummingbirds​

Never use honey in a hummingbird feeder! Honey can cause a fatal fungus infection on the tongue. ... Change the solution every four or five days and thoroughly ...


View attachment 5708
National Zoohttps://nationalzoo.si.edu › migratory-birds › hummingbird-nectar-recipe

Hummingbird Nectar Recipe - National Zoo​

Directions for making safe hummingbird food: · Mix 1 part sugar with 4 parts water (for example, 1 cup of sugar with 4 cups of water) until the sugar is ...



Counterintuitive?
Seems so to me.

On my hilltop we have a few hummingbirds. BUT !
We also have some critters I didn't know existed until I saw them here on my own land.

View attachment 5711

They're Hummingbird Moths. Like Hummingbirds they dine in flight, without landing on / weighing down the blossom.

I'm w/ Bugs on this. Awesome.

Lots of hummingbirds moths in NM also.
First time I saw one was when I was redoing a 2nd story roof that was so steep I felt the need for a rope.
It was most startling to suddenly having this big thing buzzing around me.
I must have been wearing a colorful shirt?
Once I became familiar with them, I no longer was worried about things like stingers, claws, or beaks.

 

[Rigby5]

The result being a literary / conceptual reciprocity, like a seesaw.
By avoiding mundane detail it concentrates reader / audience attention on what remains. Avoid distraction.
When discussing computers, not "megs", but "giga-quads".
For retail transactions, "credits", not "green-backs".
- fine -
BUT !

Back then I had a conversation about this with a Black friend. Not a lot of dark skin among Star Trek characters.
Our brief conversation addressed that, and also in this Sci-Fi fantasy, the species preoccupied with $money.

During that Star Trek era, the broader society, U.S. society sometimes portrayed Jews as being preoccupied with money,
and having big noses, & perhaps being short in stature. Not many Jews in the NBA.

Ferengi, preoccupied with money, short in stature, not big noses, but big ears
were a sci-fi wink & a nod allusion to Jews?

As in S2 #54 the utility of sci-fi societal satire is degraded or lost if the viewer can't relate.

So Ferengi were interstellar Jews, tight-wads?

This is a peril common to satire / social comment.
If too obscure, we can't relate the fiction to reality.
If not obscure enough, we risk offense.
The goldilocks zone between those opposite modes of failure can be quite narrow.

I'm not wild about that, BUT !
As the Holy book teaches, there's always a serpent in Paradise.
Striving for perfection can be a source of improvement.
Expecting to achieve perfection can be a source of disappointment.
Life goes on.

Interesting that I never made the connection between Ferengi and Judaism.
Seems so obvious now.

 

[sear]

" I was redoing a 2nd story roof that was so steep I felt the need for a rope.
It was most startling to suddenly having this big thing buzzing around me." R5 #64

My first encounter here, in Y2K, I was up a ladder & distracted by aerial toil when I heard the now familiar buzz jut in, & then vanish,
all beyond my field of view.
It took me a few days to imagine what it was most likely to have been.

"Interesting that I never made the connection between Ferengi and Judaism.
Seems so obvious now." R5 #65

My personal opinion, you should consider not doing so a badge of pride.
Seems to me an example of the Star Trek franchise crossing the line. Either way, not Star Trek's finest moment.

If it had been the conceptual linchpin to making a vital, constructive insight about civilization I'd overlook it.
BUT !
In the vast scheme of things, small knishes.

 

[sear]

From https://citizenvoice.us/threads/just-a-little-humor.287/page-74 #1,469

"But the AI says there is no anti-gravity. and it says gravity is actually a curvature of "space-time" caused by mass.
Not very intuitive to me." https://citizenvoice.us/threads/just-a-little-humor.287/page-74 #1,469

The innate impression of reality applied by most humans is Newton's.
Quantum physics is simply outside our common experience.

So is relativity.
None the less ...

“Gravity slows down time … speed slows down time ...” astronomer / author / professor Bob Berman

Our daily terrestrial experience, traveling at speeds such a minuscule fraction of SOL, does not prepare us for relativistic dilations.

"Almost all relativistic paradoxes stem from our attempts to import newtonian thinking into relativistic framework." vicdan

 

[Rigby5]

From https://citizenvoice.us/threads/just-a-little-humor.287/page-74 #1,469


The innate impression of reality applied by most humans is Newton's.
Quantum physics is simply outside our common experience.

So is relativity.
None the less ...

Our daily terrestrial experience, traveling at speeds such a minuscule fraction of SOL, does not prepare us for relativistic dilations.

I guess that since quantum mechanics and relativity don't really matter unless you are very small, very large, or very fast, it does not really matter that much?

 

[sear]

"I guess that since quantum mechanics and relativity don't really matter unless you are very small, very large, or very fast, it does not really matter that much?" R5 #68

An entirely successful raptor, or jackal doesn't need to master these 3 separate disciplines of physics.
They have to be able to choreograph an intercept course with their prey.

Humans face a different set of challenges, as our troglodytic ignorance is obsolete.
Before we harness reality to our pleasure, we must understand the rules reality obeys.
And as we've already made clear, is is NOT one set of rules. There are 3 different sets of rules that we know of. Get cornered by a string-theory drunkard at a cocktail party, feign diarrhea.

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill

"there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." St. Luke 12:2

"in time, all will be reviled." Wolf 2uk

"I guess that since quantum mechanics and relativity don't really matter unless you are very small, very large, or very fast, it does not really matter that much?" R5 #68

I suspect there are some that use GPS that can't read a map.
I don't recall the details, but iirc relativity is taken into account for the radio-interferometry of GPS to work accurately.
Gen X party blondes don't have to know that. BUT!
It's not zero impact on their GPS using experience.

 

[Rigby5]

An entirely successful raptor, or jackal doesn't need to master these 3 separate disciplines of physics.
They have to be able to choreograph an intercept course with their prey.

Humans face a different set of challenges, as our troglodytic ignorance is obsolete.
Before we harness reality to our pleasure, we must understand the rules reality obeys.
And as we've already made clear, is is NOT one set of rules. There are 3 different sets of rules that we know of. Get cornered by a string-theory drunkard at a cocktail party, feign diarrhea.




I suspect there are some that use GPS that can't read a map.
I don't recall the details, but iirc relativity is taken into account for the radio-interferometry of GPS to work accurately.
Gen X party blondes don't have to know that. BUT!
It's not zero impact on their GPS using experience.

I would never have guess that GPS needed a relativistic clock correction.
{...

Relativity in GPS​

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is one of the most practical demonstrations of Einstein’s theories of relativity in everyday technology. Without correcting for both special and general relativity, GPS would quickly become inaccurate, with errors accumulating at a rate of about 11 kilometers per day Science ABC.

Why Relativity Matters in GPS​

GPS relies on atomic clocks aboard satellites and on the ground to send precise timing signals. These signals are used to calculate distances and positions. However, the clocks on satellites experience two main relativistic effects:

1. Special Relativity (time dilation due to motion)
   Satellites orbit Earth at about 14,000 km/h (~3.87 km/s). According to special relativity, moving clocks run slower relative to stationary ones. This causes the satellite clocks to lose about 7 microseconds per day compared to ground clocks Science ABC.
2. General Relativity (gravitational time dilation)
   Satellites are in a weaker gravitational field than clocks on Earth’s surface. General relativity predicts that clocks in weaker gravity run faster. This causes the satellite clocks to gain about 45 microseconds per day Science ABC.

Net Effect and Correction​

The two effects partially cancel:

• Special relativity: −7 μs/day
• General relativity: +45 μs/day
  Net gain: +38 μs/day Science ABC.

If uncorrected, this tiny time difference would cause position errors to grow rapidly. To compensate, satellite clocks are pre-adjusted to run slightly slower before launch, and the system’s software applies real-time relativistic corrections modern-physics.org.
...}

 

[sear]

I would never have guess that GPS needed a relativistic clock correction.
{...

Relativity in GPS​

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is one of the most practical demonstrations of Einstein’s theories of relativity in everyday technology. Without correcting for both special and general relativity, GPS would quickly become inaccurate, with errors accumulating at a rate of about 11 kilometers per day Science ABC.

Why Relativity Matters in GPS​

GPS relies on atomic clocks aboard satellites and on the ground to send precise timing signals. These signals are used to calculate distances and positions. However, the clocks on satellites experience two main relativistic effects:

1. Special Relativity (time dilation due to motion)
   Satellites orbit Earth at about 14,000 km/h (~3.87 km/s). According to special relativity, moving clocks run slower relative to stationary ones. This causes the satellite clocks to lose about 7 microseconds per day compared to ground clocks Science ABC.
2. General Relativity (gravitational time dilation)
   Satellites are in a weaker gravitational field than clocks on Earth’s surface. General relativity predicts that clocks in weaker gravity run faster. This causes the satellite clocks to gain about 45 microseconds per day Science ABC.

Net Effect and Correction​

The two effects partially cancel:

• Special relativity: −7 μs/day
• General relativity: +45 μs/day
  Net gain: +38 μs/day Science ABC.

If uncorrected, this tiny time difference would cause position errors to grow rapidly. To compensate, satellite clocks are pre-adjusted to run slightly slower before launch, and the system’s software applies real-time relativistic corrections modern-physics.org.
...} R5 #70

I KNEW it !

Thank you R5.
I'd forgotten the finer details ...