The war in Iran (or whose war is it anyways?)

Rigby5 said:
"What China does is provide college scholarships for 80% of the population of that age." R5 #240
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a) I did not know that.
b) I find China fascinating for several reasons, not least its politburo. The Soviets had a politburo too. It drove the USSR into the ditch, and out of existence.
China suggests to me, the failing of the Soviet Union was not intrinsic to politburos in general, but incompetence / corruption within the supreme Soviet.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
The U.S. sells weapons, bullies smaller nations with bombs, bloodshed, and mayhem.

China has a presence in similar nations, but instead helps build roadways, dig / drill drinking water wells, etc.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
Perception matters: glass half empty, or half full?

Is China a perilous prospective adversary?
Or instead a powerful prospective partner in shared global leadership?

Unfortunately as history has shown again and again, it seems the U.S. will mishandle that issue / decision, and pay dearly for its failure.
 
sear said:
a) I did not know that.
b) I find China fascinating for several reasons, not least its politburo. The Soviets had a politburo too. It drove the USSR into the ditch, and out of existence.
China suggests to me, the failing of the Soviet Union was not intrinsic to politburos in general, but incompetence / corruption within the supreme Soviet.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
The U.S. sells weapons, bullies smaller nations with bombs, bloodshed, and mayhem.

China has a presence in similar nations, but instead helps build roadways, dig / drill drinking water wells, etc.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
Perception matters: glass half empty, or half full?

Is China a perilous prospective adversary?
Or instead a powerful prospective partner in shared global leadership?

Unfortunately as history has shown again and again, it seems the U.S. will mishandle that issue / decision, and pay dearly for its failure.
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China has some problems, such as the Uyghur, Tibet, and when they had their Red Guard.
But seem less aggressive and violent than the US to me.
 
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Trump calls for $2 billion daily to reopen Hormuz as China criticizes U.S. actions. ⛽🌍

Tensions around the Strait of Hormuz have intensified as President Donald Trump pushed for urgent action to restore shipping through the critical waterway. The strait carries a major share of global oil supply, and recent disruptions have triggered sharp reactions from global markets and political leaders. The situation has become a focal point in the wider conflict involving Iran.

China and other international voices have called for de-escalation, emphasizing diplomacy over military pressure. Beijing has avoided direct involvement while urging all parties to reduce tensions and restore stability. Meanwhile, divisions remain among global powers, with some countries resisting calls to join military efforts and instead supporting negotiations.

The crisis reflects how quickly regional conflict can evolve into a global economic challenge. With oil flows disrupted and alliances under strain, the focus remains on reopening the strait through ceasefire agreements and coordinated international efforts. Recent developments suggest that temporary arrangements may ease pressure, but long-term stability remains uncertain.
 
Rigby5 said:
"Seems like we could just stop attacking Iran and it would all go back to normal and cost nothing?" R5 #244
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I suspect not.
Now that Trump has educated Iran on its enormous power over Earth's economies,
Trump has empowered a monster.

Shiftless2 said:
"You have created a global crisis out of nothing." China's foreign minister #243
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OPINION
Opinion | US-Israel war on Iran

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat​

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
By Jeffrey Sachs and Sybil Fares / Published On 9 May 2026
The war against Iran that the United States and Israel launched on February 28, 2026, will likely end in an American retreat. The United States cannot continue the war without producing disastrous consequences. A renewed escalation would likely lead to the destruction of the region’s oil, gas, and desalination infrastructure, causing a prolonged global catastrophe. Iran can credibly impose costs that the United States cannot bear and that the world should not suffer.
www.aljazeera.com

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


Trump is an absolute buffoon.
 
sear said:
I suspect not.
Now that Trump has educated Iran on its enormous power over Earth's economies,
Trump has empowered a monster.



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OPINION
Opinion | US-Israel war on Iran

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat​

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
By Jeffrey Sachs and Sybil Fares / Published On 9 May 2026
The war against Iran that the United States and Israel launched on February 28, 2026, will likely end in an American retreat. The United States cannot continue the war without producing disastrous consequences. A renewed escalation would likely lead to the destruction of the region’s oil, gas, and desalination infrastructure, causing a prolonged global catastrophe. Iran can credibly impose costs that the United States cannot bear and that the world should not suffer.
www.aljazeera.com

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com


Trump is an absolute buffoon.
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The Mideast is the worst place for the US to fight a war.
We have no safe bases there because we have no allies.
Even Israel won't let us use their bases.

We would likely have to rely on ships, but while ships can defend against drones and cruise missiles, they cannot defend against hypersonics or torpedoes.
 
Rigby5 said:
"The Mideast is the worst place for the US to fight a war." R5 #246
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Not to contradict your point, but to corroborate it:
is there a good place for the US to fight a war? Albuquerque ?

Rigby5 said:
"We have no safe bases there because we have no allies." R5 #246
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"Luck is the residue of design."

The U.S. has proven itself to be a fickle ally, treacherous to friends and enemies alike.

Rigby5 said:
"We would likely have to rely on ships, but while ships can defend against drones and cruise missiles, they cannot defend against hypersonics or torpedoes." R5 #246
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The Argentine military taught the world an important lesson with a single Exocet missile during the Falklands War.

The U.S. learned that lesson again with the U.S.S. Stark.

USS Cole bombing​

The USS Cole bombing was a suicide attack by al-Qaeda against USS Cole, a guided missile destroyer of the United States Navy, on 12 October 2000, while it was being refueled in Yemen's Aden harbor.[1]
Seventeen U.S. Navy sailors were killed and thirty-seven injured[2]
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USS Cole bombing - Wikipedia

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If exercising U.S. military power in the Middle East advanced U.S. prosperity,
there might be a more persuasive argument for such warfare.

Nope.
 
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Opinion

MORNING GLORY: President Trump needs to finish the war against Iran once and for all​

Regimes run by lunatics cannot have arsenals of missiles and mines, period​

By Hugh Hewitt Fox News / Published May 14, 2026 5:00am EDT
Hegseth says US has plans to ‘escalate’ action against Iran ‘if necessary’
"1. The Trump administration’s public portrayal of a shattered Iranian military is sharply at odds with what U.S. intelligence agencies are telling policymakers behind closed doors, according to classified assessments from early this month that show Iran has regained access to most of its missile sites, launchers and underground facilities. Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz, which could threaten American warships and oil tankers transiting the narrow waterway. People with knowledge of the assessments said they show — to varying degrees, depending on the level of damage incurred at the different sites — that the Iranians can use mobile launchers that are inside the sites to move missiles to other locations. In some cases they can launch missiles directly from launchpads that are part of the facilities. Only three of the missile sites along the strait remain totally inaccessible, according to the assessments."
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MORNING GLORY: President Trump needs to finish the war against Iran once and for all

Iran has reportedly regained operational access to most of its missile sites and launchers, according to leaked U.S. intelligence assessments.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Sanity Check:
Are Trump's current stated objectives for Iran not those already achieved by Obama, and subsequently sabotaged by Trump?
 
sear said:
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Opinion

MORNING GLORY: President Trump needs to finish the war against Iran once and for all​

Regimes run by lunatics cannot have arsenals of missiles and mines, period​

By Hugh Hewitt Fox News / Published May 14, 2026 5:00am EDT
Hegseth says US has plans to ‘escalate’ action against Iran ‘if necessary’
"1. The Trump administration’s public portrayal of a shattered Iranian military is sharply at odds with what U.S. intelligence agencies are telling policymakers behind closed doors, according to classified assessments from early this month that show Iran has regained access to most of its missile sites, launchers and underground facilities. Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz, which could threaten American warships and oil tankers transiting the narrow waterway. People with knowledge of the assessments said they show — to varying degrees, depending on the level of damage incurred at the different sites — that the Iranians can use mobile launchers that are inside the sites to move missiles to other locations. In some cases they can launch missiles directly from launchpads that are part of the facilities. Only three of the missile sites along the strait remain totally inaccessible, according to the assessments."
www.foxnews.com

MORNING GLORY: President Trump needs to finish the war against Iran once and for all

Iran has reportedly regained operational access to most of its missile sites and launchers, according to leaked U.S. intelligence assessments.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Sanity Check:
Are Trump's current stated objectives for Iran not those already achieved by Obama, and subsequently sabotaged by Trump?
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I love that quote:
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Regimes run by lunatics cannot have arsenals of missiles and mines, period​

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I have never seen a regime run by lunatics any more than the present US administration.

Who else would blow up fastboats that are only suspected of minor crimes, when they could easily have been boarded, inspected, and confiscated if guilty.

Not to mention blowing up the Ayatollah and his wife, while kidnapping Maduro and his wife?
 
Rigby5 said:
"I have never seen a regime run by lunatics any more than the present US administration.
Who else would blow up fastboats that are only suspected of minor crimes, when they could easily have been boarded, inspected, and confiscated if guilty.
Not to mention blowing up the Ayatollah and his wife, while kidnapping Maduro and his wife?" R5 #249
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It's 25th Amendment time. What additional evidence is needed to demonstrate Trump is not fit for his office?
JD Vance is no prize.
But I'm hoping if President Vance has taken his oath of office before July 4, he won't demolish any more of the white house.
 
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