The war in Iran (or whose war is it anyways?)

[sear]

"What China does is provide college scholarships for 80% of the population of that age." R5 #240

a) I did not know that.
b) I find China fascinating for several reasons, not least its politburo. The Soviets had a politburo too. It drove the USSR into the ditch, and out of existence.
China suggests to me, the failing of the Soviet Union was not intrinsic to politburos in general, but incompetence / corruption within the supreme Soviet.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
The U.S. sells weapons, bullies smaller nations with bombs, bloodshed, and mayhem.

China has a presence in similar nations, but instead helps build roadways, dig / drill drinking water wells, etc.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
Perception matters: glass half empty, or half full?

Is China a perilous prospective adversary?
Or instead a powerful prospective partner in shared global leadership?

Unfortunately as history has shown again and again, it seems the U.S. will mishandle that issue / decision, and pay dearly for its failure.

 

[Rigby5]

a) I did not know that.
b) I find China fascinating for several reasons, not least its politburo. The Soviets had a politburo too. It drove the USSR into the ditch, and out of existence.
China suggests to me, the failing of the Soviet Union was not intrinsic to politburos in general, but incompetence / corruption within the supreme Soviet.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
The U.S. sells weapons, bullies smaller nations with bombs, bloodshed, and mayhem.

China has a presence in similar nations, but instead helps build roadways, dig / drill drinking water wells, etc.

China appears to be formidable in the new millennium.
Perception matters: glass half empty, or half full?

Is China a perilous prospective adversary?
Or instead a powerful prospective partner in shared global leadership?

Unfortunately as history has shown again and again, it seems the U.S. will mishandle that issue / decision, and pay dearly for its failure.

China has some problems, such as the Uyghur, Tibet, and when they had their Red Guard.
But seem less aggressive and violent than the US to me.

 

[Shiftless2]

Trump calls for $2 billion daily to reopen Hormuz as China criticizes U.S. actions.

Tensions around the Strait of Hormuz have intensified as President Donald Trump pushed for urgent action to restore shipping through the critical waterway. The strait carries a major share of global oil supply, and recent disruptions have triggered sharp reactions from global markets and political leaders. The situation has become a focal point in the wider conflict involving Iran.

China and other international voices have called for de-escalation, emphasizing diplomacy over military pressure. Beijing has avoided direct involvement while urging all parties to reduce tensions and restore stability. Meanwhile, divisions remain among global powers, with some countries resisting calls to join military efforts and instead supporting negotiations.

The crisis reflects how quickly regional conflict can evolve into a global economic challenge. With oil flows disrupted and alliances under strain, the focus remains on reopening the strait through ceasefire agreements and coordinated international efforts. Recent developments suggest that temporary arrangements may ease pressure, but long-term stability remains uncertain.

 

[Rigby5]

Seems like we could just stop attacking Iran and it would all go back to normal and cost nothing?

 

[sear]

"Seems like we could just stop attacking Iran and it would all go back to normal and cost nothing?" R5 #244

I suspect not.
Now that Trump has educated Iran on its enormous power over Earth's economies,
Trump has empowered a monster.

"You have created a global crisis out of nothing." China's foreign minister #243

OPINION
Opinion | US-Israel war on Iran

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat​

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
By Jeffrey Sachs and Sybil Fares / Published On 9 May 2026
The war against Iran that the United States and Israel launched on February 28, 2026, will likely end in an American retreat. The United States cannot continue the war without producing disastrous consequences. A renewed escalation would likely lead to the destruction of the region’s oil, gas, and desalination infrastructure, causing a prolonged global catastrophe. Iran can credibly impose costs that the United States cannot bear and that the world should not suffer.

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.

www.aljazeera.com

Trump is an absolute buffoon.

 

[Rigby5]

I suspect not.
Now that Trump has educated Iran on its enormous power over Earth's economies,
Trump has empowered a monster.



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OPINION
Opinion | US-Israel war on Iran

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat​

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.
By Jeffrey Sachs and Sybil Fares / Published On 9 May 2026
The war against Iran that the United States and Israel launched on February 28, 2026, will likely end in an American retreat. The United States cannot continue the war without producing disastrous consequences. A renewed escalation would likely lead to the destruction of the region’s oil, gas, and desalination infrastructure, causing a prolonged global catastrophe. Iran can credibly impose costs that the United States cannot bear and that the world should not suffer.

The war on Iran will likely end in American retreat

The American empire cannot win the war against Iran at acceptable financial, military, and political costs.

www.aljazeera.com

Trump is an absolute buffoon.

The Mideast is the worst place for the US to fight a war.
We have no safe bases there because we have no allies.
Even Israel won't let us use their bases.

We would likely have to rely on ships, but while ships can defend against drones and cruise missiles, they cannot defend against hypersonics or torpedoes.