Quotable Quotes

"Don't know about El Salvador but I'm pretty sure ICE is being paid for: arrests, imprisonments, deportations (and making a serious profit in the process)" S2 #1,400
That would be news to me. Alarming, horrifying news.
At some level federal operations are funded. But on basis of a bounty, per person? I hope that's not the case.

"If the spirit of Liberty dies in the hearts of men & women, no court will ever revive it."
Learned Hand - American jurist, during his career as a federal judge (1924-1951) his influence was so great he was sometimes called the "tenth man" of the US Supreme Court
 
Technically ICE itself is a sub of Homeland Security so it's non profit. However

For-profit immigrant detention facilities still hold the vast majority of individuals detained by ICE. As of January 2025, private companies managed all twenty of the top twenty private detention centers. All told, 86 percent of ICE detainees were held in facilities run by for-profit entities

 
"Space is going to finally be glam. We are going to put the 'ass' in astronaut." ~ Katy Perry, before her Blue Origin flight

"Who would not get glam before the flight? We're going to have lash extensions flying in the capsule." ~ Lauren Sanchez, fellow passenger

"I skydived in Dubai with similar hair to make sure I would be good. I took it for a dry run." ~ Aisha Bowe, fellow passenger

"The Blue Origin flight showcased the utter defeat of American feminism." ~ The Guardian
 
"The Blue Origin flight showcased the utter defeat of American feminism." ~ The Guardian #1,403
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It is troglodytically ignorant to conflate evolution with death. Death is considered terminal. Femininity is not.
Not only is feminism not dead. There are more women alive today than ever before. It's called a "population explosion" for a reason.
The glass ceiling still thumps a skull or two. But it may soon be as much a pane to men as to women.

Excluding women reduces by >half our talent-pool.
 
"It's up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That's up to them." ~ US Attorney General Pam Bondi, on Kilmar Abrago Garcia

"How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I don't have the power to return him to the United States." ~ Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, sitting next to Trump in the Oval Office

"We're the building trades, the backbone of America. You want to build a five billion dollar data center?...You don't call Elon Musk, you call us!...All of us! Including our SMART apprentice Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who we demand to be returned to us and his family now!" ~ Sean McGarvey, president of North America's Building Trades Union


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"We're the building trades, the backbone of America. You want to build a five billion dollar data center?...You don't call Elon Musk, you call us!...All of us! Including our SMART apprentice Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who we demand to be returned to us and his family now!" ~ Sean McGarvey, president of North America's Building Trades Union #1,405
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Re #1406
I've seen a number of comments on other boards where people are speculating that the reason they won't return him is because they can't. He's already dead.
I appreciate the "outside the box" perspective. In this case it has the hue of Internet conspiracy theory.

The primaries, the dictators of the U.S. and El Salvador have demonstrated their skill at buck-passing.
If he's a corpse, they could blame the homicide on any of the other prisoners.

Doesn't mean he's alive now.
Doesn't mean he's not doomed.

But for now I suspect that's less than entirely likely.

ha·be·as corpus (hābē-əs)
n.
1. A writ that a person may seek from a court to obtain immediate release from an unlawful confinement, as when the confinement has occurred through a means that violated the person's constitutional rights.
2. The right of a person to obtain such a writ.
[Middle English, from Medieval Latin habeās corpus, produce the body (from the opening words of the writ) : Latin habeās, second person sing. present subjunctive of habēre, to have + Latin corpus, body.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition copyright ©2022 by HarperCollins Publishers. All rights reserved.
 
"Even that wouldn't mean that they won't be blamed for it - after all, he wouldn't have been killed if ICE (aka Trump's buddies) hadn't sent him there in the first place." #1,409
Some may have forgotten. Trump may never have known. BUT !
President Richard M. Nixon after having won landslide re-election in 1972 became progressively more embroiled in the "Watergate scandal".

That involved some FBI burglars (aka the "plumbers") breaking into a room in the Watergate Hotel. BUT !
Nixon didn't forfeit his presidential office because of the break-in, but instead the administration cover-up.

If Trump's inner circle is so exclusively "yes" men that not one of them is willing to remind Trump of that
then perhaps we should leave space in our schedules for the inauguration of President Vance.
 
Re #1406
"I've seen a number of comments on other boards where people are speculating that the reason they won't return him is because they can't. He's already dead." #1,407
I appreciate the cynical premise, generally reliable in Trump's case. But for Garcia, akin to Mark Twain's quip, the obit is premature.

Associated Press

Maryland Sen. Van Hollen meets with Abrego Garcia in El Salvador amid court fight over US return​

YOLANDA MAGAÑA and MARY CLARE JALONICK / Wed, April 16, 2025 at 1:06 PM EDT

Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, right, speaks with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran citizen who was living in Maryland and deported to El Salvador by the Trump administration, in a hotel restaurant in San Salvador, El Salvador, Thursday, April 17, 2025. (Press Office Senator Van Hollen, via AP)

El Salvador Deportation Error​

Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, right, speaks with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran citizen who was living in Maryland and deported to El Salvador by the Trump administration, in a hotel restaurant in San Salvador, El Salvador, Thursday, April 17, 2025. (Press Office Senator Van Hollen, via AP)
SAN SALVADOR (AP) — Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia on Thursday evening in El Salvador, coming face to face with the wrongly deported man after two days in the country pushing for his release.
The Democratic senator posted a photo of the meeting on X but did not provide an update on the status of Abrego Garcia, whose attorneys are fighting to force the Trump administration to facilitate his return to the U.S.

"Truth isn't truth."
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, personal attorney to President Trump serving as administration spokesperson on NBC MTP 18/08/19

So !
El Salvador's dictator says he can't return Garcia to the U.S., but it's OK for Garcia to enjoy a luncheon in a crowded hotel restaurant ?! Not much of a dictator ! Merely a partial dictator, a dic-.

ps:
Van Hollen !
What's w/ the hat? Can't afford a nice bright red MAGA ?
 
"Perhaps Harvard should lose its Tax Exempt Status and be Taxed as a Political Entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological,and terrorist inspired/supporting 'Sickness'?" ~ Donald Trump, now

By that logic churches should lose their tax exempt status and be taxed as political enities.

"If the IRS can go after you because of what you think or what you believe or what you do, we'd no longer live in a free country." ~
J.D. Vance, then


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"Perhaps Harvard should lose its Tax Exempt Status and be Taxed as a Political Entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological,and terrorist inspired/supporting 'Sickness'?" ~ Donald Trump, now

By that logic churches should lose their tax exempt status and be taxed as political enities. #1,412
I don't attend church regularly.
But I've seen vid of such things as voter registration advocacy, apparently in a church. "God helps those that help themselves"?

"If the IRS can go after you because of what you think or what you believe or what you do, we'd no longer live in a free country." ~ J.D. Vance, then
So should we distinguish between hypocrites, they preach one thing, but believe another?
And outright liars, that merely say whatever they perceive to be expedient at the moment? Even when it contradicts yesterday's expedient?
 
But I've seen vid of such things as voter registration advocacy, apparently in a church. "God helps those that help themselves"?

I don't have a problem with advocating voting but I do have a problem with churches trying to influence the way someone votes. And that includes statements like "you should vote because if you don't XXX will likely win"
 
"I don't have a problem with advocating voting but ... " S2 #1,414
Based perhaps on emotion, my position is quite similar if not identical. BUT !
In the interest if ideological purity, rigid regard for separation between Church & State suggests that's not pure. Why?
We already know, by example of congressional districting, populations attending a particular church may be likely to disproportionately favor one candidate, or one party over another.
That's a two-edged sword. There are Republican-leaning congregations as well as Democrat-leaning ones. BUT !!
"Two wrongs don't make a right." cliché

" I do have a problem with churches trying to influence the way someone votes. And that includes statements like "you should vote because if you don't XXX will likely win"" S2
Not sure if mine is a blind guess, or a suspicion grounded in some legitimate observation:
Even if not explicit, there's potential for non-subtle cues, even if not an explicit candidate / party endorsement. Obvious example:

The Democrat candidate campaigns on improving childcare services.
The Republican candidate campaigns on tax cuts. In neither case is a specific candidate or party named.

Result:
Those attending the Democrat-leaning church are told to register & vote, because of the importance & need of improved childcare services.
Those attending the Republican-leaning church are told to register & vote to promote our god-given right of Liberty, and strengthen the separation between Church & State by weakening the State by reducing its $revenues (& incidentally thereby leaving church attendees more discretionary funds to donate to church).
 
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