Wrong.
Vaccines are NOT totally "safe".
It is just that the diseases they reduce are just much worse.
But again, the point is mercury has absolutely no positive effect at all, and instead ONLY has negatives.
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Wrong.
Vaccines are NOT totally "safe".
It is just that the diseases they reduce are just much worse.
But again, the point is mercury has absolutely no positive effect at all, and instead ONLY has negatives.
If you want to understand why this is not a simple cause/effect relationship that can easily be studied, this explains that there are actually 3 different factors that all have to happen simultaneously, which greatly complicates any possible study attempt.
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Summary: A new study proposes that autism arises when genetic vulnerability, an early environmental trigger, and prolonged activation of the cellular stress response align during critical developmental windows. This “three-hit” metabolic model reframes autism as a disorder of disrupted cellular communication and energy metabolism rather than an inevitable genetic outcome.
By showing that two of the three factors are potentially reversible, the research suggests that early-life screening and metabolic interventions could reduce or prevent a substantial proportion of cases. The model integrates findings across mitochondrial biology, immune signaling, and neural circuit development to offer a unified biological framework for autism.
Key Facts
- Three Biological Hits: Genetic sensitivity, early environmental stress, and a prolonged cell danger response interact to shape autism risk.
- Metabolic Signaling Core: Chronic purinergic signaling and disrupted mitochondrial function may alter early neural circuit development.
- Prevention Potential: Early detection of metabolic stress could reduce or prevent up to half of autism cases.
A new University of California San Diego School of Medicine study offers a unified biological model to explain how genetic predispositions and environmental exposures converge to cause autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
The study, published in Mitochondrion on Dec. 9, 2025, describes a “three-hit” metabolic signaling model that reframes autism as a treatable disorder of cellular communication and energy metabolism.
The model also suggests that as many as half of all autism cases might be prevented or reduced with prenatal and early-life interventions.
“Our findings suggest that autism is not the inevitable result of any one gene or exposure, but the outcome of a series of biological interactions, many of which can be modified,” said study author Robert K. Naviaux, M.D., Ph.D., professor of medicine, pediatrics and pathology at UC San Diego School of Medicine.
“By understanding how these genetic and environmental factors stack to alter a child’s developmental trajectory, we can start to imagine preventive care and new approaches to treatment that were previously thought impossible.”
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Many Autism Cases May Be Preventable - Neuroscience News
A new study proposes that autism arises when genetic vulnerability, an early environmental trigger, and prolonged activation of the cellular stress response align during critical developmental windows.
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Shiftless2
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So, in other words, you are claiming that you have no idea if your claims are true.
Wrong.
What I am saying is that mercury is always toxic, should never be deliberately introduced into the body, and has absolutely no positive use or effect.
Whether or not it causes autism can't be easily proven or disproven, but is still irrelevant since mercury is always a very bad idea anyway.
Shiftless2
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No - what you're saying is that there is no evidence that your claims are true.
Wrong.
My claims is that the mercury is always harmful, which is always true.
And that there was absolutely no reason at all to add the toxic mercury.
Whether or not it causes autism is the only thing unproven, and that is not relevant.
Mercury is always terribly harmful whether or not it causes autism.
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There's more than one type of mercury. That said, we're still waiting for those legitimate peer reviewed articles supporting your claim.
Not sure what you mean "IS a topical antiseptic", since mercurochrome has been banned since 1998?
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The ban on Mercurochrome, a mercury-containing antiseptic, was a significant regulatory decision by the FDA in 1998. The decision was made due to concerns over the safety of mercury and its potential toxicity, as well as its limited effectiveness compared to modern antiseptics. The ban was part of a broader effort to ensure that over-the-counter medicines are safe and effective for public use. Mercurochrome, which was once a staple in many medicine cabinets, is no longer available in the United States and has been replaced by safer alternatives. However, it is still sold and used in some other countries, reflecting the divergence in regulatory philosophies and access to alternatives.
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It is highly toxic and dangerous, and should never have been used.
All antiseptics are toxic to some degree because their goal is to kill bacteria.
But things like hydrogen peroxide only last for seconds, and then leave no harmful residue.
Antiseptics like mercury make no sense because their toxicity lasts forever, and constantly harms valuable cells.
Eventually they get into the body fluids and effect the entire body.
Safe antiseptics stay local and are short duration.
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R5,
Your "no positive effect at all" undermines the millions of children mentioned by nih that would not be vaccinated without it.
You're welcome to your opinion about the simple binary of either vaccinating them with medication that includes trace amount of thiomersal, or no vaccination at all. BUT !!
Earthlings have ruled.
Not just Trump.
Not just congress.
Not just R5.
The protocol within our solar system is to vaccinate them.
This doesn't mean ethyl Mercury is delicious.
Instead it means it's considered better than the alternative.
The sanity check on that:
while outside-the-loop peanuts quibble from the gallery about sub-optimal vaccinations some of which may be administered once in the patient's lifetime,
there are other artificial health risks such as PFAS, aka "forever chemicals" in drinking water.
These are chemicals with federal limits not measured in parts per million, but in parts per trillion.
And rather than exposure once in the patient's lifetime, the exposures can (if lucky) be multiple times per day, in drinking water.
Bottom line, you seem to be trying to leverage half-truths:
to draw a conclusion probably better to be avoided.
BUT ! (please pardon the compound metaphor)
If you must tilt at windmills, why not aim for the low-hanging fruit? Utilitarian: greatest benefit for the greatest number.
Don't get you point.
No other nation except the US and UK have ever allowed or used mercury in vaccinations.
Mercury does not in any way facilitate vaccinations, since all you need to do instead is use clean hypodermics if you want to make large vaccine containers.
Thimerosal was not used until the 1930s and is no longer used in most vaccines.
So it simply was a historical mistake we should leave behind.
NIH reduces it to $cost / dose simplicity.
Their formulation: it's thiomersal, or nothing.
a) And are these other nations single-$payer? With more efficient healthcare, with both lower per capita healthcare costs, and better patient outcomes, meaning longer life-expectancy?
b) Do these other nations vaccinate millions of 3rd world children?
I do not get your point.
There are many alternative antiseptics that are often used instead.
The FDA is trying to stop the use of mercury.
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On July 1, 1999, the FDA sent a letter to all manufacturers of U.S.-licensed vaccines requesting their plans to remove thimerosal from their U.S. licensed vaccines. This step was taken because the elimination or reduction of mercury in vaccines was a feasible means of reducing an infant’s total exposure to mercury in a world where other environmental sources of mercury are challenging to eliminate.
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Mercury has never been used in vaccinations of 3rd world children because the US vaccines that had mercury were vastly too expensive.
And no US made vaccines for children still have mercury in them.
LONDON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - The Trump administration has told global vaccine group Gavi to phase out shots containing the preservative thimerosal as a condition of providing the group with funding, a U.S. official and a Gavi spokesperson told Reuters.
In June last year, Kennedy cut $300 million in annual funding for Gavi, which helps the world's poorest and lower-income countries buy vaccines to prevent diseases such as measles and diphtheria.
Exclusive: US conditions funding to global vaccine group on dropping mercury-based preservative from shots
The Trump administration has told global vaccine group Gavi to phase out shots containing the preservative thimerosal as a condition of providing the group with funding, a U.S. official and a Gavi spokesperson told Reuters.
www.reuters.com
Not clear to me how it can be phased out, if it hasn't been done.
LONDON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - The Trump administration has told global vaccine group Gavi to phase out shots containing the preservative thimerosal as a condition of providing the group with funding, a U.S. official and a Gavi spokesperson told Reuters.
In June last year, Kennedy cut $300 million in annual funding for Gavi, which helps the world's poorest and lower-income countries buy vaccines to prevent diseases such as measles and diphtheria.
Exclusive: US conditions funding to global vaccine group on dropping mercury-based preservative from shots
The Trump administration has told global vaccine group Gavi to phase out shots containing the preservative thimerosal as a condition of providing the group with funding, a U.S. official and a Gavi spokesperson told Reuters.
Not clear to me how it can be phased out, if it hasn't been done.
Thimerosal has been removed from all infant vaccines for decades.
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All vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger in the U.S. are available in formulations that do not contain thimerosal.
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Thimerosal and Vaccines
Thimerosal is a compound that has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products. All vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger in the U.S. are available in formulations that do not contain thimerosal. The use of thimerosal as a preserva
There are lots of other safer and cheaper alternatives:
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Other Preservatives
Phenol is used in a variety of consumer products including mouthwashes, throat lozenges, and throat sprays. It is also used as a preservative in three FDA-approved available vaccines, Pneumovax 23 (for prevention of pneumococcal disease caused by the 23 serotypes contained in the vaccine) and Typhim Vi (for prevention of typhoid fever) and ACAM2000 (for prevention of smallpox and mpox disease in individuals determined to be at high risk for smallpox or mpox infection); each of these vaccines contains 0.25% phenol. These vaccines are not recommended for routine use by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).
2-Phenoxyethanol is an organic chemical compound that is sometimes used in cosmetics and antiseptics. It is also used as a preservative in one FDA-approved available vaccine, Ipol, for the prevention of polio, at a concentration of 0.5%.
Benzethonium chloride is a chemical that has antimicrobial properties. It is used in over-the-counter hand and body washes. This preservative is used in two FDA-approved vaccines; Cyfendus (for post-exposure prophylaxis of disease following suspected or confirmed exposure to Bacillus anthracis, the bacterium that causes anthrax disease) and BioThrax, for the prevention of disease caused by Bacillus anthracis.
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