"There is no way Russia can ever allow the Ukraine to become hostile to Russia." R5 #180
Please cite 3 examples of Ukraine inflicting territorial conquest on Russia, to permanently expand Ukraine's sovereign territory.
"Zelensky has to go, since he tried to join NATO 4 times now." R5 #180
In Gaza both Palestinians and Israelis can cite a previous event as justification for the next atrocity.
Is there any evidence Ukraine has been a threat to Russia?
Even in current negotiations, Russia seeks to retain Ukrainian territory it invaded and occupies.
Is it incorrect to say Russia is the aggressor?
Is it incorrect to say NATO is a defensive alliance?
Sweden joined NATO last year. Why? Because NATO armored cav. thundered into Stockholm? No. To discourage Russian military expansion.
It is not nearly that hypothetical.
The ethnic Polish and ethnic Russians of the Ukraine have always hated each other and do not even speak the same languages.
It was only the pro-Russian politicians who kept the peace all these years.
Yet there wasn't much news from there about discord before Putin's invasion.
Instead Ukraine seemed not merely surviving, but improving after Cold War totalitarianism, exporting grain to the 3rd World, etc.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
The solution you suggest is to form an agreement to solve a problem with Russia caused by Russia abrogating the previous agreement.
Your reasoning seems lucid.
The indication there's a problem with it is, Ukrainians understand they have that option, and have chosen near stalemate bloodshed instead. We can assume they're simply stupid. Or we can acknowledge a more fundamental reality. Ukrainians understand as with the Budapest Memorandum, dealing with Russia means short term gain for long term pain.
Now Zelensky has even recognized the fascist Azov Battalion as a legitimate armed forced group instead of the criminal terrorist they have always actually been.
Multiple reports indicate Putin has offered to commute the sentence of Russian prisoners / criminals, for joining the Russian military to fight in Ukraine.
It's the way politics stabilizes.
Democrats have been "gerrymandering" to balance out the Republicans that initiated gerrymandering to solidify Trump's death grip on congress after the mid-term elections.
"So separation is the only viable alternative." R5 #181
The reason we know it's more complicated than that is because of Ukraine's status a month, a year, a decade before Putin invaded. By what criterion could we declare that not viable?
I suspect many in Ukraine, and many more to the West would be delighted to return to pre-invasion Ukraine.
"The ethnic Polish and ethnic Russians of the Ukraine have always hated each other and do not even speak the same languages." R5 #181
I'm still puzzling over this one.
In U.S. "melting-pot"/"mosaic" terms we blend some, though in some regard remain segregated.
How can we know if the division you've described were implemented, the original Polish in Poland would resent the Ukrainians as much as the "ethnic Russians" you describe?
