Anthropogenic Global Warming ... how hot is it ?

[Rigby5]

The palm oil angle is news to me but I've encountered reports of the following before:

This Tree Produces Pure Diesel Fuel. Yields 40 Liters A Year. Mar 9, 2026 ... fuel you can pour directly into an engine. The Copaifera langsdorffii, nicknamed the "Diesel Tree," can be tapped like a maple tree and ...


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Palm oil is an edible vegetable oil derived from the reddish mesocarp (pulp) of the fruit of the African oil palm. The oil is used in food manufacturing, in beauty products, and as biofuel. Palm oil accounted for about 36% of global oils produced from oil crops in 2017. Palm oils are easier to stabilize and maintain quality of flavor and consistency in ultra-processed foods, so they are frequently favored by food manufacturers. Globally, humans consumed an average of 7.7 kg (17 lb) of palm oil per person in 2015. Demand has also increased for other uses, such as cosmetics and biofuels, encouraging the growth of palm oil plantations in tropical countries.

The mass production of palm oil in the tropics is a topic for substantial concern for environmental and human rights groups. The palm oil industry is a significant contributor to deforestation in the tropics where palms are grown and has been cited as a factor in social problems due to allegations of human rights violations among growers.

In 2018, a report by the International Union for Conservation of Nature acknowledged that palm oil is much more efficient than other oils in terms of land and water usage; however, deforestation causes more biodiversity loss than switching to other oils. The biggest global producers of palm oil are Indonesia, which produced 60% of it in 2022, followed by Malaysia, Thailand, and Nigeria. Indonesia produces biodiesel primarily from palm oil.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_oil

 

[sear]

"Palm oil is an edible vegetable oil " #601

Oh.

I know of no plant, no photosynthesizer that directly produces gasoline. BUT !
When corn State senators decided mandating 10% ethanol in gasoline from corn was a good idea, the quality of our automotive fuel plummeted, and the cost of Mexican peasant food increased by about a third.

So diesel coming directly from a plant seems like a good deal. BUT !
We've already learned that splitting our food supply into both human food, and automotive fuel raises the cost of both.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh.

I know of no plant, no photosynthesizer that directly produces gasoline. BUT !
When corn State senators decided mandating 10% ethanol in gasoline from corn was a good idea, the quality of our automotive fuel plummeted, and the cost of Mexican peasant food increased by about a third.

So diesel coming directly from a plant seems like a good deal. BUT !
We've already learned that splitting our food supply into both human food, and automotive fuel raises the cost of both.

I do not know much of the details, but I believe the down side of palm oil is factory farms that are moncultures.
That is not good for wildlife and has epidemic risks for the palm trees.

The problems with ethanol are much larger because you have to ferment the corn in lots of water, over lots of time.

 

[sear]

"I do not know much of the details, but I believe the down side of palm oil is factory farms that are moncultures.
That is not good for wildlife and has epidemic risks for the palm trees.

The problems with ethanol are much larger because you have to ferment the corn in lots of water, over lots of time." R5 #603

BF Skinner made the point that so many of the perceived technological "solutions" we've implemented have been the basis for a new round of technological problems (requiring a new round of technological solution).

Monsanto & others are already fiddling w/ GMO.
Bill Gates seems to be fiddling with trying to preserve a Noah's arc of our legacy seed grain. Count me a skeptic.

Whether we've passed the point of no return, I'm not sure. BUT !!
We've never been closer.

 

[Rigby5]

BF Skinner made the point that so many of the perceived technological "solutions" we've implemented have been the basis for a new round of technological problems (requiring a new round of technological solution).

Monsanto & others are already fiddling w/ GMO.
Bill Gates seems to be fiddling with trying to preserve a Noah's arc of our legacy seed grain. Count me a skeptic.

Whether we've passed the point of no return, I'm not sure. BUT !!
We've never been closer.

The trouble with GMOs is that those manipulating genes only care about profits, so don't care if the new mutation actually still has any nutritional value at all, and could instead cause allergic responses instead?

 

[Shiftless2]

Speaking of GMO's this is what bananas originally looked like


And this is what corn originally looked like

 

[sear]

"The trouble with GMOs is that those manipulating genes only care about profits, so don't care if the new mutation actually still has any nutritional value at all, and could instead cause allergic responses instead?" R5 #605

Yes.
As you well know the agricultural tradition for millennia has been to save some seed from harvest for next season's planting.
Monsanto's GMO prevents that. The seed if any is sterile. If planted it will not germinate, but instead will rot. So farmers must re-purchase fresh seed for each planting season.

"Speaking of GMO's this is what bananas originally looked like" S2 #606

I did not know that.
At a garden party last year I had what I later deduced was seedless watermelon. I suppose I'm a traditionalist.

"And this is what corn originally looked like" S2 #606

When I read corn is a grass, I was inspired to wonder whether aboriginal American nations selectively planted only the largest corn seed, so over the centuries they became enormous.

 

[Shiftless2]

Monsanto's GMO prevents that. The seed if any is sterile. If planted it will not germinate, but instead will rot. So farmers must re-purchase fresh seed for each planting season.

I remember reading about one of the big players (don't remember if it was Monsanto or not) suing a farmer whose fields were adjacent to one of their lots - the lawsuit had to do with the fact that pollen from the corporate fields might have landed on the farmer's fields so the farmer's crops may well incorporate the qualities of the "corporate crop" - have to say that this was just a footnote in a journal and I've never seen anything more about it.

 

[Rigby5]

Speaking of GMO's this is what bananas originally looked like
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And this is what corn originally looked like

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Hybridization is fairly safe.
But with GMOs they are making changes that could not naturally occur, so then can bypass what our immune system evolved to do.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes.
As you well know the agricultural tradition for millennia has been to save some seed from harvest for next season's planting.
Monsanto's GMO prevents that. The seed if any is sterile. If planted it will not germinate, but instead will rot. So farmers must re-purchase fresh seed for each planting season.

I did not know that.
At a garden party last year I had what I later deduced was seedless watermelon. I suppose I'm a traditionalist.


When I read corn is a grass, I was inspired to wonder whether aboriginal American nations selectively planted only the largest corn seed, so over the centuries they became enormous.

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Corn was developed from the wild grass teosinte through thousands of years of selective breeding by ancient Mesoamerican farmers.

Origins and Domestication​

Corn, also known as maize (Zea mays), originated in southern Mexico over 9,000 years ago. Its wild ancestor, teosinte, is a grass with small, hard seeds and a branching form that looks very different from modern corn, though their genomes are nearly identical History Cooperative+2. Early Mesoamerican farmers recognized teosinte’s potential and began selective breeding, choosing plants with desirable traits such as larger kernels, exposed cobs, and upright stalks History Cooperative+1. This process gradually transformed teosinte into a more productive and edible crop.

Selective Breeding and Genetic Changes​

The domestication of corn involved targeted genetic changes. Key mutations, such as in the tb1 gene, suppressed side branching and promoted vertical growth, while other changes reduced seed casing thickness and exposed kernels, making the plant easier to harvest and process. Ancient farmers saved seeds from plants with favorable traits and replanted them, a practice that over generations produced the recognizable corn we know today pioneer.com+1. By around 2500 BCE, corn was widely cultivated across the Americas, with indigenous peoples developing different varieties suited to local climates and uses p
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What does this vid have to do with the banana's shown in #606 you might ask

Ray Comfort the guy with the mustache has become known as Banana Man as a result of this clip. The guy on the right is Kirk Cameron, a former actor who played Mike Seaver on the ABC sitcom Growing Pains

 

[Rigby5]

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Current predictions indicate a significant risk of global temperatures rising beyond 1.5°C and potentially reaching 2°C within the next few decades due to insufficient climate action.​

Current Temperature Trends​

Recent reports highlight that the first eight months of 2025 are among the warmest on record, with a 70% chance that global average temperatures will exceed 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels within the next five years. There is also a small possibility of crossing the 2°C threshold, which was previously considered unlikely The Weather Channel.

Climate Goals and Challenges​

The Paris Agreement aims to limit global warming to well below 2°C, with efforts to restrict the increase to 1.5°C. However, a survey of climate scientists indicates that only 6% believe the 1.5°C target will be achieved, while 77% predict temperatures will rise more than 2.5°C by the year 2100. This reflects a growing concern that current national commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are inadequate Resilience.

Implications of Rising Temperatures​

Exceeding these temperature thresholds poses significant risks, including severe impacts on ecosystems, biodiversity loss, and increased frequency of extreme weather events. The Future Earth organization warns that failing to meet climate targets could lead to irreversible changes in the climate system, affecting human societies and natural environments Resilience.
In summary, without substantial and immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Earth is on a trajectory to experience significant warming, with serious implications for the planet and its inhabitants.
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'Super' El Nino is officially here: It could 'get dire very quickly'​

A powerful El Nino has officially formed in the Pacific Ocean, with meteorologists warning Thursday that it is poised to reach historic strength and intensify extreme weather events across the globe.

The natural warming cycle is expected to exacerbate global temperatures, already elevated by fossil fuel emissions, and could supercharge severe weather patterns worldwide. The phenomenon is predicted to rival or even surpass the record-setting El Nino of 1997, which caused billions in damages through heatwaves, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and wildfires.

The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration formally confirmed the existence of the El Nino, a warming of the Pacific near the equator that profoundly affects global weather patterns. NOAA projects a 63% likelihood that this El Nino will become so intense by late fall and early winter that it "would rank among the largest El Nino events in the historical record going back to 1950."

Clark University climate scientist Abby Frazier explained that .....

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