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Shiftless2
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There isn't anywhere near enough being done to provide support for women suffering from post-partum depression.
That's not to say that Ms Clancy shouldn't suffer the consequences of her actions (killing her three children) but it's not simple
That's not to say that Ms Clancy shouldn't suffer the consequences of her actions (killing her three children) but it's not simple
What to know about the Lindsay Clancy murder trial
What to know about the Lindsay Clancy murder trial
Lindsay Clancy’s murder trial is now in the hands of a jury. Closing arguments were presented Thursday in a Massachusetts court.apnews.com
A crime is when you put greed above normal social instincts.
If there is no greed involved, then it is more likely to simply be a mental malfunction that is no threat to anyone else and is not a crime.
Shiftless2
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So her murdering her children isn't a crime?
Exactly.
It is a malfunction.
A crime is where you deliberately violate the rights of others in order to facilitate your greed.
If you kill due to a psychosis where you feel trapped or some other emotion, that is a malfunction and not a crime.
A crime has to be prosecuted in order to protect others.
But a psychosis is not a threat to anyone else.
Shiftless2
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Tell that to her children. You know, the ones she killed.
It's a crime if there's a law against it. BUT !
Even the ancients recognized the distinction between arbitrarily forbidden conduct, and genuine detrimental behavior. They called them:
- malum prohibitum: wrong by prohibition
- malum in se: evil; wrong by itself
I've never carried a pregnancy to term. BUT !
I can imagine if a woman undergoes such an ordeal, and then murders the offspring, something went wrong.
Isn't this the kind of scenario the "insanity defense" was intended for?
She created them, so in reality she is the one who gets all the say.
But the normal instincts from her inherited DNA are what actually rules, and when they get in a weird conflict, these things will happen.
It is not like it was her choice.
There is no blood kin exception to the law against murder.
Psychologist Joy Browne distinguishes between thought and action. - We're not responsible for our thoughts. We're responsible for our actions. -
Contemplating doing them harm is one issue.
Perpetrating murder is different.
PPD may not have been her choice.
Is there persuasive evidence she took reasonable steps to avoid murder? Bundling a child in a basket and leaving it at the firehouse door?
There are lots of "blood kin exceptions" to the law against murder.
If a child had an expensive or painful medical condition, the mother will be given the option of euthanasia.
Human legality is based on human morality, which comes entirely from inherent emotions that have chemical sources.
People eat, sleep, have sex, raise children, etc., entirely over chemicals that cause feelings.
When the chemicals are not the ones we expect, that is not the fault of the individual.
What is good or bad is not absolute, but entirely dependent upon chemicals, controlled by our DNA.
Shiftless2
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Where? Got a reference for that?
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General Parental Authority
Under U.S. constitutional law, parenting is recognized as a fundamental liberty interest, and parents can consent to or refuse most medical treatments for their children, including surgical procedures, medications, immunizations, mental health care, and participation in clinical research...}
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Definition and scope
Parental rights in medical decision-making refer to the legally recognized authority of a parent or legal guardian to consent to, refuse, or direct healthcare on behalf of a minor child. This authority derives from the constitutional recognition of parenting as a fundamental liberty interest under the Fourteenth Amendment, affirmed in Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000), and grounded in the earlier precedents of Meyer v. Nebraska (1923) and Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925).The scope is broad: it covers surgical procedures, prescription medications, immunizations, mental health treatment, participation in clinical research, and end-of-life decisions. It also extends to the right to receive medical information about the child, authorize the release of health records under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA, 45 C.F.R. § 164.502(g)), and select or change providers.
Scope limitations are defined by state law, not federal mandate. All 50 states impose at least one statutory exception that permits a minor to consent independently, and all 50 states authorize court intervention when a child faces risk of serious harm from parental refusal of treatment.
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