Shiftless2
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But if Barron is going to stay out of it the same should apply to everyone else's kids (American as well as the rest of the world)
So no blame rests with the Germans? Or the Japanese? Or ....
The war in Iran (or whose war is it anyways?)
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I would go even further and not just want people to stay out of these wars like Venezuela and Iran, but I would prefer to prosecute anyone who did participate in them.
I may be biased since I am of Austrian and Dutch ancestry, but I consider the Germans to be the earliest and best republic in Europe, and that it was the Allies who started and were guilty in both world wars.
Even with the Japanese, we were at fault by taking out the Emperor of China and imposing economic sanctions on Japan for their support of the Emperor.
Shiftless2
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So you're saying that Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939 had nothing to do with it?
The actual history is that around 1600, the Old Polish Empire was the single largest and most evil country in Europe.
It was finally defeated by all the European countries allying against them.
The Old Polish Empire was the racist Scythians and Cimmerians who retreated from the Asians like the Huns, Mongols, Turks, etc.
Vlad the Impaler is an extreme example of the racist Scythians and Cimmerians.
So there was no Poland from 1700 on, until the Treaty of Versailles recreated it after WWI.
And I do not think that was a good idea.
Poland was created out of Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
And a significant portion of the Poland that the Treaty of Versailles created, was populated by Germans.
And the Polish still are racist and fascist, so I do not think it was not a good idea to return them to power, over the Germans there.
But I have no first hand knowledge that would allow me to be sure.
One overview you can get is by watching the movie "Taras Bulba" with Yul Brenner.
It shows the conflict between the Old Polish empire and migrant Cossacks around 1600.
Of course a movie can be slanted as well.
But the western part of the Ukraine is from the failed Old Polish attempt to invade Russia.
And we do see even now, that the western old Polish part of the Ukraine is very racists and fascist.
The divide was most visible in WWII, when the western half of the Ukraine supported Hitler, while the eastern half like the Cossacks, supported Russia.
But I do not claim to be an expert on it.
Despite Trump claims not adequately supported by facts, the U.S. is at War with Iran for the second time in Trump's second administration.
Trump pretends there was imminent danger. Observers whether former MAGA or not, refute this Trump'd up charge.
Fri, March 27, 2026 at 5:22 AM PDT
news.yahoo.com
Bottom line:
Actions have consequences.
Trump's belligerent actions taken at the displeasure of our allies,
result in Trump not merely destabilizing an already precarious region of the globe,
but substantially weakening alliances it has taken previous administrations generations, centuries to build & maintain.
Paying a high price is not necessarily all bad, as anyone with a brand new Lambo in the garage can attest.
BUT !
It's imprudent to not get something of at least comparable worth in return.
What does the United States of America gain by Trump administration caprice? A $Billion $Dollar ego massage?
Trump pretends there was imminent danger. Observers whether former MAGA or not, refute this Trump'd up charge.
Exclusive-Trump's Iran war pushes India to rekindle old friendship with Russia
By Krishna N. Das, Nidhi Verma and Saurabh SharmaFri, March 27, 2026 at 5:22 AM PDT
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By Krishna N.
Bottom line:
Actions have consequences.
Trump's belligerent actions taken at the displeasure of our allies,
result in Trump not merely destabilizing an already precarious region of the globe,
but substantially weakening alliances it has taken previous administrations generations, centuries to build & maintain.
Paying a high price is not necessarily all bad, as anyone with a brand new Lambo in the garage can attest.
BUT !
It's imprudent to not get something of at least comparable worth in return.
What does the United States of America gain by Trump administration caprice? A $Billion $Dollar ego massage?
Shiftless2
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So that means that UK and the rest of Europe resisting Germany's invasion of Poland was the real problem?
Sounds like you'd blame the kid on the playground who was defending himself for starting the fight - after all. "How dare he hit the bully back"
Sounds like you'd blame the kid on the playground who was defending himself for starting the fight - after all. "How dare he hit the bully back"
No, I blame the Allies in WWI for ever stealing Poland from Germany in the first place.
Germany was a very free federation of republics, so there was no reason to take Poland out of the German Federation after WWI.
If you look at old maps before WWI, there is Prussia, but no Poland.
Poland disappeared around 1700.
Thereby tiptoeing blindfolded around the causes and causers of WWI? Archduke Fergedaboudit ?
Ostensibly respected historians have suggested WWII resulted from German grievances about the conclusion of WWI. So which domino was the first to fall? What / who caused WWI ?
Trump:
Partisan politics is intrinsically polarized.
President Trump has intensified this political contention in the U.S.
The result, difficult to find issues analysis that can be trusted to be objective.
News from abroad is not necessarily objective. They grind axes on their side of the ocean too. BUT !
Viewpoint from afar may be less likely to be prefab U.S. talking points.
Now the administration faces even more pressure as many of its own supporters have started to turn against it. This war has split up the MAGA movement, with an intriguing debate currently happening outside the mainstream and in the midst of their own media sphere.
www.aljazeera.com
Trump is in trouble.
President Trump has well earned the disdain of our former allies, now returning Trump's consistent NATO insults by declining Trump's invitation to join his Middle East quagmire in the making.
But in addition to Trump's political woes at home and abroad, Trump is learning Iran is not as easy to kill as he had apparently expected.
Iran's predictable Hormuz Strait gambit is paying off again. Not only has Trump no military answer. Trump has no band aid other than his own Trump-style coldhearted dismissive rhetoric.
Tiger by the tail:
If Trump declares victory and exits, Iran will be left to exact regional retribution, the blame for which will ultimately rest on Trump.
Otherwise Trump teeters precariously on mission creep. Boots on the ground may be capable of accomplishing simple missions. But if they remain to occupy, additional troops will be needed to protect them, ...
P U !
Partisan politics is intrinsically polarized.
President Trump has intensified this political contention in the U.S.
The result, difficult to find issues analysis that can be trusted to be objective.
News from abroad is not necessarily objective. They grind axes on their side of the ocean too. BUT !
Viewpoint from afar may be less likely to be prefab U.S. talking points.
The war on Iran faces a MAGA backlash
Four weeks into the war on Iran, the White House continues to confuse the public and the press with constant pivots and contradictions.Now the administration faces even more pressure as many of its own supporters have started to turn against it. This war has split up the MAGA movement, with an intriguing debate currently happening outside the mainstream and in the midst of their own media sphere.
The war on Iran faces a MAGA backlash
A deep split in the MAGA movement threatens Trump’s Iran war.
Trump is in trouble.
President Trump has well earned the disdain of our former allies, now returning Trump's consistent NATO insults by declining Trump's invitation to join his Middle East quagmire in the making.
But in addition to Trump's political woes at home and abroad, Trump is learning Iran is not as easy to kill as he had apparently expected.
Iran's predictable Hormuz Strait gambit is paying off again. Not only has Trump no military answer. Trump has no band aid other than his own Trump-style coldhearted dismissive rhetoric.
Tiger by the tail:
If Trump declares victory and exits, Iran will be left to exact regional retribution, the blame for which will ultimately rest on Trump.
Otherwise Trump teeters precariously on mission creep. Boots on the ground may be capable of accomplishing simple missions. But if they remain to occupy, additional troops will be needed to protect them, ...
P U !
Thereby tiptoeing blindfolded around the causes and causers of WWI? Archduke Fergedaboudit ?
Ostensibly respected historians have suggested WWII resulted from German grievances about the conclusion of WWI. So which domino was the first to fall? What / who caused WWI ?
The reason I tend to blame the Allies is that in 1870, the Germans beat the French in the Franco Prussian war, and they took nothing.
The won the war, but then vacated the land they had taken in the war.
That was very generous, and makes it very unlikely WWI was their fault.
Trump:
Partisan politics is intrinsically polarized.
President Trump has intensified this political contention in the U.S.
The result, difficult to find issues analysis that can be trusted to be objective.
News from abroad is not necessarily objective. They grind axes on their side of the ocean too. BUT !
Viewpoint from afar may be less likely to be prefab U.S. talking points.
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The war on Iran faces a MAGA backlash
Four weeks into the war on Iran, the White House continues to confuse the public and the press with constant pivots and contradictions.
Now the administration faces even more pressure as many of its own supporters have started to turn against it. This war has split up the MAGA movement, with an intriguing debate currently happening outside the mainstream and in the midst of their own media sphere.
The war on Iran faces a MAGA backlash
A deep split in the MAGA movement threatens Trump’s Iran war.
Trump is in trouble.
President Trump has well earned the disdain of our former allies, now returning Trump's consistent NATO insults by declining Trump's invitation to join his Middle East quagmire in the making.
But in addition to Trump's political woes at home and abroad, Trump is learning Iran is not as easy to kill as he had apparently expected.
Iran's predictable Hormuz Strait gambit is paying off again. Not only has Trump no military answer. Trump has no band aid other than his own Trump-style coldhearted dismissive rhetoric.
Tiger by the tail:
If Trump declares victory and exits, Iran will be left to exact regional retribution, the blame for which will ultimately rest on Trump.
Otherwise Trump teeters precariously on mission creep. Boots on the ground may be capable of accomplishing simple missions. But if they remain to occupy, additional troops will be needed to protect them, ...
P U !
The one good result is that Israel is not happy with Netanyahu for starting all this with Iran, since Israel is getting pounded.
Reminds me:
Sounds quite noble, for a high-ranking government official of a government that ruthlessly stole much of a continent from the aboriginal inhabitants.
R5, I've never read The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich.
But over the generations I've gathered a fairly consistent image of who Hitler was, how / why he rose to power from an undistinguished corporal in WWI to a nation-leading megalomaniac.
I lived in West Germany for years, worked there both military & civilian. I learned enough about German culture to obtain a basic impression of the Hitler phenomenon. The Trump parallels are alarming.
I'm not entirely clear how Mussolini fits into the picture, or Japan's emperor. But I sincerely believe Hitler intended to conquer the planet, and via eugenics purify the aryan race.
My personal opinion, Hitler came uncomfortably close.
My understanding of Netanyahu's tenure, he clings to power with slim electoral margin and is pressed into political gymnastics to obtain a viable coalition in the Knesset.
Tragic.
Shiftless2
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Hitler was not very good at much.
He joined veteran's groups, which got him into the SA run by Roehm.
That is where he got practice giving emotional speeches.
But the SA was socialist, and the powers that be in Germany were anti-socialist.
So they gave Hitler an ultimatum.
He had to turn on the socialist SA if he wanted to be appointed Chancellor.
So then in 1934, Hitler ordered the Night of the Long Knives, which was the execution of the ranking members of the SA.
Which gives a good evaluation of his integrity.
He then not only was an opportunist, but really just a speech reader.
They're not identical twins.
But there's substantial methodological overlap w/ Trump.
Let's not ignore what has already occurred.
The Kennedy Center, now the Trump & Kennedy Center.
The East wing is demolished.
Venezuela's elected leader isn't in Venezuela's capital. He's in a NYC prison.
Our president wants an Arc de Trump (inspired by the one in Paris), built in DC.
The world is in crisis, substantially of Trump's unilateral making.
And to say it will get worse before it gets better presumes it will get better.
That may be groundlessly optimistic.