The war in Iran (or whose war is it anyways?)

[Shiftless2]

Being anti-war, I do not mind Barron staying out of it.

But if Barron is going to stay out of it the same should apply to everyone else's kids (American as well as the rest of the world)

While princess Elizabeth was a non-combatant role of ambulance driver, I blame the British for WWI and WWII.

So no blame rests with the Germans? Or the Japanese? Or ....

 

[Rigby5]

But if Barron is going to stay out of it the same should apply to everyone else's kids (American as well as the rest of the world)


So no blame rests with the Germans? Or the Japanese? Or ....

I would go even further and not just want people to stay out of these wars like Venezuela and Iran, but I would prefer to prosecute anyone who did participate in them.

I may be biased since I am of Austrian and Dutch ancestry, but I consider the Germans to be the earliest and best republic in Europe, and that it was the Allies who started and were guilty in both world wars.
Even with the Japanese, we were at fault by taking out the Emperor of China and imposing economic sanctions on Japan for their support of the Emperor.

 

[Shiftless2]

I may be biased since I am of Austrian and Dutch ancestry, but I consider the Germans to be the earliest and best republic in Europe, and that it was the Allies who started and were guilty in both world wars.

So you're saying that Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939 had nothing to do with it?

 

[Rigby5]

So you're saying that Germany's invasion of Poland in 1939 had nothing to do with it?

The actual history is that around 1600, the Old Polish Empire was the single largest and most evil country in Europe.
It was finally defeated by all the European countries allying against them.
The Old Polish Empire was the racist Scythians and Cimmerians who retreated from the Asians like the Huns, Mongols, Turks, etc.
Vlad the Impaler is an extreme example of the racist Scythians and Cimmerians.
So there was no Poland from 1700 on, until the Treaty of Versailles recreated it after WWI.
And I do not think that was a good idea.
Poland was created out of Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
And a significant portion of the Poland that the Treaty of Versailles created, was populated by Germans.
And the Polish still are racist and fascist, so I do not think it was not a good idea to return them to power, over the Germans there.
But I have no first hand knowledge that would allow me to be sure.

One overview you can get is by watching the movie "Taras Bulba" with Yul Brenner.
It shows the conflict between the Old Polish empire and migrant Cossacks around 1600.
Of course a movie can be slanted as well.
But the western part of the Ukraine is from the failed Old Polish attempt to invade Russia.
And we do see even now, that the western old Polish part of the Ukraine is very racists and fascist.
The divide was most visible in WWII, when the western half of the Ukraine supported Hitler, while the eastern half like the Cossacks, supported Russia.

But I do not claim to be an expert on it.

 

[sear]

Despite Trump claims not adequately supported by facts, the U.S. is at War with Iran for the second time in Trump's second administration.
Trump pretends there was imminent danger. Observers whether former MAGA or not, refute this Trump'd up charge.

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Fri, March 27, 2026 at 5:22 AM PDT

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Bottom line:
Actions have consequences.
Trump's belligerent actions taken at the displeasure of our allies,
result in Trump not merely destabilizing an already precarious region of the globe,
but substantially weakening alliances it has taken previous administrations generations, centuries to build & maintain.

Paying a high price is not necessarily all bad, as anyone with a brand new Lambo in the garage can attest.

BUT !

It's imprudent to not get something of at least comparable worth in return.

What does the United States of America gain by Trump administration caprice? A $Billion $Dollar ego massage?

 

[Shiftless2]

So that means that UK and the rest of Europe resisting Germany's invasion of Poland was the real problem?

Sounds like you'd blame the kid on the playground who was defending himself for starting the fight - after all. "How dare he hit the bully back"

 

[Rigby5]

So that means that UK and the rest of Europe resisting Germany's invasion of Poland was the real problem?

Sounds like you'd blame the kid on the playground who was defending himself for starting the fight - after all. "How dare he hit the bully back"

No, I blame the Allies in WWI for ever stealing Poland from Germany in the first place.
Germany was a very free federation of republics, so there was no reason to take Poland out of the German Federation after WWI.
If you look at old maps before WWI, there is Prussia, but no Poland.
Poland disappeared around 1700.

 

[Rigby5]

Here is what Europe looked like before WWI.
Notice there is no Poland.

 

[sear]

S2 #86

"No, I blame the Allies in WWI for ever stealing Poland from Germany in the first place." R5 #87

Thereby tiptoeing blindfolded around the causes and causers of WWI? Archduke Fergedaboudit ?
Ostensibly respected historians have suggested WWII resulted from German grievances about the conclusion of WWI. So which domino was the first to fall? What / who caused WWI ?