What to call this thread?

sear said:
I don't object to the contest.
Without any opposing political force, the U.S. would be at risk at present or future of fraudsters performing such "update" for inappropriate (fraudulent) reason. I oppose that.

That does NOT mean I find today's status quo fully satisfactory. BUT !
It is acknowledgement contending with the contest is better than contending without it.
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But I would want qualified people to be conducting the "contest", like doctors, judges, etc., and not DMV bureaucrats or even politicians.
For example, since we are actually talking about database values, what happens when there simply is a glitch producing an inaccurate database value?
I would not want politicians demanding that a glitch be declared unrepairable.
 
Rigby5 said:
"But I would want qualified people to be conducting the "contest"" R5 #1,441
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I can't find a plausible definition for the word you've scare-quoted here: "contest".

The contest referred to in #1,440 is the political decision about whether / how citizens update their gender marker.

Rigby5 said:
"But I would want qualified people to be conducting the "contest", like doctors, judges, etc., and not DMV bureaucrats or even politicians." R5 #1,441
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YOU R5 participate in the contest mentioned in #1,440.

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We're on page #72 of a topic that's been active for years. Please note the ratio of "Views" to "Replies". 44 : 1

You / I / we have a "right" to ascend the soapbox at the village square, and advocate persuasively to our neighbors / tax payers / voters. BUT !
They're not there.
This charming 18th century literal soapbox anachronism is obsolete, not viable.

They're at the shopping mall, or performing trousers optional e-tail at home.

We have the right, but not the power to reach our neighbors for robust public debate, 18th century style.

Internet to the rescue ?!

A little.
CitizenVoice.us is at least a cyber-soapbox we can now ascend (trousers optional) to inquire / inform / persuade. R5 #1,441 is but one recent example of PRECISELY that.
Though there may not be another human in view, we can address more of them than can be legally crammed into the village square.

YOU R5 are party to this very "contest".

Perhaps what you mean by "contest" is the actual performance of the government genital exam.
I don't consider that a contest.
To me the contest is deciding on policy basis whether or not the examination is to be conducted at all.
We should note, updating gender marker need not necessarily include any such government exam.

Rigby5 said:
"I would not want politicians demanding that a glitch be declared unrepairable." R5 #1,441
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You've hit close to home here.
In my home State of NY the minimum age for driver's license was 16. When I applied the DMV listed my height as 5' 11".
Soon thereafter I was 6' tall. BUT !
I was never able to get the DMV to update.
Now in my 70's, I'm back down to 5'11". - booyea -
 
Interesting - my son's driver's license says that he's five foot nine and a half

But the DMV had no facility for measuring his height - I'd driven him there and was waiting so I piped up and said that my drivers license gave my height as five foot nine and a half and we were pretty much the same height. The examiner looked at the two of us and agreed so that's what his license shows.

Thing is, when I got my license decades earlier the same thing had happened - they had no way to measure my height so my father had volunteered his height and my license now read the same as his.

Thing is, my father had obtained his license before the war so I don't know how the height on his license was determined - or maybe it was the height the Air Force had measured when he enlisted. No idea.
 
In about 1967 (I was about 13) one of the big kids (perhaps about a high school senior) lamented that the authorities were going to revoke his driver's license.
He was despondent about it.
One of the kids on the school bus suggested to him:
Go to the county seat.
Get another Social Security card under a different name. Back then they'd issue a Social Security card for the asking, though perhaps soon after that they may have put up a sign: one per customer.
Then walk into a public library, and get a library card. iirc neither of these required ID, though if the library demanded one, he could have used his Social Security card.
With these docs under a slightly different name, the high schooler acquired a new driver's license.

Obviously it's a different world now.
Shiftless2 said:
"Interesting - my son's driver's license says that he's five foot nine and a half

But the DMV had no facility for measuring his height - I'd driven him there and was waiting so I piped up and said that my drivers license gave my height as five foot nine and a half and we were pretty much the same height. The examiner looked at the two of us and agreed so that's what his license shows.

Thing is, when I got my license decades earlier the same thing had happened - they had no way to measure my height so my father had volunteered his height and my license now read the same as his.

Thing is, my father had obtained his license before the war so I don't know how the height on his license was determined - or maybe it was the height the Air Force had measured when he enlisted. No idea." S2 #1,443
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I got my military ID when I was a teen.
The clerk doing the paperwork asked me my eye color. I sincerely didn't know. So she squinted at me, made a determination and a declaration,
and what she said remained on my ID for the duration of my service. ... "Close enough for government work"?

I've wondered what it would have cost me for her to list my eye color as polka dot.
 
sear said:
In about 1967 (I was about 13) one of the big kids (perhaps about a high school senior) lamented that the authorities were going to revoke his driver's license.
He was despondent about it.
One of the kids on the school bus suggested to him:
Go to the county seat.
Get another Social Security card under a different name. Back then they'd issue a Social Security card for the asking, though perhaps soon after that they may have put up a sign: one per customer.
Then walk into a public library, and get a library card. iirc neither of these required ID, though if the library demanded one, he could have used his Social Security card.
With these docs under a slightly different name, the high schooler acquired a new driver's license.

Obviously it's a different world now.

I got my military ID when I was a teen.
The clerk doing the paperwork asked me my eye color. I sincerely didn't know. So she squinted at me, made a determination and a declaration,
and what she said remained on my ID for the duration of my service. ... "Close enough for government work"?

I've wondered what it would have cost me for her to list my eye color as polka dot.
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An easier way is to just use the name of someone who died or moved out of state.
If they are still alive, you just can't then use their SS card for employment or the person would get suspicious IRS documents.
 
Shiftless2 said:
"An oldie but the message is worth repeating" S2 #1,451
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- totally ! And well done ! -


Shiftless2 said:
"Why does Uncle Bob go everywhere with Pete?" kid
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My apologies for my Friday AM ramble S2 BUT ! your #1,451 reminds me ...

Mother fretted knowing the day would eventually arrive.
When her son finally asked her: "Mom, where do I come from?"
she took a few deep breaths, sat down with her son nearly eye to eye
and with as much science as she could muster explained the difference between haploid and diploid,
the function of penetration, male orgasm, conception, pregnancy, and birth.

Taking self-congratulatory pride in her imagined Oscar-winning performance she ended her explanation,
only to be challenged by her son:

Ucch, Mom, I didn't want to know all that.
Tommy says he's from Connecticut. Where do I come from?

the moral of this anecdote: DON'T BOTHER, leave it to the brood sows
 
Politicians should not be the ones telling doctors how to do their jobs or families what decisions are best for their children.

A federal judge just made that clear.

In a major ruling this week, a judge blocked the federal government from threatening hospitals and providers who offer gender-affirming care to transgender youth. The court found that these actions overstepped legal authority and attempted to intimidate medical providers into denying care. 

The administration had tried to label this care as unsafe and warned that hospitals could lose access to Medicare and Medicaid if they continued treating trans minors. 

But the court said no.

Health care for transgender young people remains legal, and providers cannot be punished for caring for their patients. 

Let’s be clear about what this means:

• Doctors—not politicians—make medical decisions
• Parents—not the government—care for their children
• Trans youth deserve access to evidence-based, compassionate care

This ruling is a powerful reminder that fear and political pressure do not override medical expertise, the law, or a parent’s love.

This is a win for every family who refused to be bullied.

Every provider who kept showing up.

Every advocate who kept speaking out.

And most of all—

for every transgender young person who deserves to be safe, supported, and cared for.

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