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"A new state law required the City of Boise to take down the Pride flag outside City Hall. Tuesday morning, the City wrapped flag poles in Pride colors ..." S2 #1,499
I appreciate the craftsmanship, the artistic skill of applying the bands of color so uniformly, skillfully.
plus, a message from Boise to the State legislature: - No, YOU da ho. -
 
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IOC should not use SRY test to determine gender of women's athletes, says scientist who discovered it

By national sport reporter David Mark

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In short:​

The scientist who discovered the SRY gene test that the International Olympic Committee is now relying on to determine athletes' eligibility for women's events says it should not be used in such a fashion.

Andrew Sinclair said the SRY gene was not enough of a determining factor alone, and using it as such was an "overly simplistic" approach.

Professor Sinclair raised similar issues when World Athletics instituted a similar policy last year.

The genetic test the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is relying on to determine who can compete as a woman is inconclusive and should not be used in that manner, according to the scientist who discovered the key gene.

Andrew Sinclair, the deputy director of the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, said testing for the SRY gene was not a reliable test for determining biological sex.

Professor Sinclair discovered the SRY gene in 1990 and has continued to work on gonad development for the past 30-plus years.

The IOC said last week it was introducing SRY testing for women and girls hoping to compete at the Olympics and associated events, effectively banning transgender women from competing and limiting participation in the female category to what it called ....

 

IOC should not use SRY test to determine gender of women's athletes, says scientist who discovered it

By national sport reporter David Mark

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The genetic test the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is relying on to determine who can compete as a woman is inconclusive and should not be used in that manner, according to the scientist who discovered the key gene.

Andrew Sinclair, the deputy director of the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, said testing for the SRY gene was not a reliable test for determining biological sex.

Professor Sinclair discovered the SRY gene in 1990 and has continued to work on gonad development for the past 30-plus years.

The IOC said last week it was introducing SRY testing for women and girls hoping to compete at the Olympics and associated events, effectively banning transgender women from competing and limiting participation in the female category to what it called ....


I agree that DNA testing is not sufficient.

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Limitations​

While SRY testing provides a clear genetic marker, it does not fully define biological sex. Some individuals with XY chromosomes may develop female characteristics due to mutations or insensitivity to androgens, and some XX individuals may carry SRY due to translocation. Therefore, the test may not perfectly reflect athletic performance potential and can raise ethical, privacy, and psychological concerns. Genetic counseling is recommended for athletes undergoing testing to interpret results and manage any medical implications.
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We need something better.


I'm skeptical about the phrase "the key gene". How many different genes are involved in eye color?
There's one "key gene" for this? For distinguishing female from others?

And the problem of DNA testing is that assumes it is a 2 layer problem, just DNA and glands.
And it is actually at least a 3 layer problem, with DNA, hormones, and glands.
And that implies the hormones can come from other sources and over ride the DNA ones, or the ones from the DNA can be ineffectual for some reason.
 
And the problem of DNA testing is that assumes it is a 2 layer problem, just DNA and glands.
And it is actually at least a 3 layer problem, with DNA, hormones, and glands.
And that implies the hormones can come from other sources and over ride the DNA ones, or the ones from the DNA can be ineffectual for some reason." R5 #1,506
Alright.
You have me wondering if we're not focused on not precisely the right issue.

The underlying idea is, we need separate categories for men & women, because men have more upper body strength.
Psychologist Joy Browne observes Fred Astaire was box office Gold, BUT !
Ginger Rogers not only kept up with him step for step, but kept up with Fred while she was dancing backward, and in high heels.

Dr. Browne concludes, they have separate men's & women's categories so men have a chance to win something too.

Back to DNA:
Are they women?
If they're women, why should they not compete as women?
If they're not women, why should they compete as women?

bonus:
If resulting from multiple assessment criteria a prospective competitor is deemed neither precisely female, nor precisely male
has thought been given to handicapping the prospective competitor? Men do that in golf. Don't they?
 
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WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE BORN TRANSGENDER? THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR
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DEAR FRIENDS
- Who you are lives in your brain.

Not in the configuration of your body parts or the label on your birth certificate.

Your brain holds your memories.

Your brain holds your sense of self.

Your brain holds your deepest identity.

It is what makes you, you.

And here’s something remarkable!

100 years of research show that in transgender people, the inner realm of the brain matches the gender they identify with…

NOT THE OUTER SEX ASSIGNED AT BIRTH!

For example, brain studies have found differences in specific brain regions linked to emotion, memory, and identity that differ between transgender people and their sex assigned at birth. (1)

Even more fascinating, the parts of the brain that sense a person’s own body match the gender they know themselves to be. (2)

This happens so consistently that scientists see a clear, undeniable signal…

THE BRAIN KNOWS!

And brain research keeps pointing the same way- showing that gender identity is connected to how the brain helps us know who we are and what our body feels like to us. (3)

So how does this happen?

It’s simple in concept, and miraculously complex in ....

MORE with comments
 
When conversations between lawmakers turn personal, it often reveals how quickly real issues can be overshadowed. Sarah McBride, the first openly transgender member of Congress, continues to navigate spaces where her identity is often politicized rather than respected. In exchanges with figures like Nancy Mace, the focus can shift from policy to personal attacks, but her response remains rooted in dignity and advocacy

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MsMace's earrings tell me more than I really want to know about her politics.
 
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Children’s Minnesota, the state’s largest pediatric healthcare provider, is preparing to resume gender-affirming care for transgender youth after the Trump administration paused the services in February over safety concerns.

The suspension was overturned by a federal judge in an April 6 ruling, clearing the way for services to restart this week, according to Minnesota Public Radio.

A hospital spokesperson emphasized that providing science- and research-based care for transgender and gender-diverse youth is central to Children’s Minnesota’s mission of supporting families and promoting healthier children.

 
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Spewing amplified hate while wearing crucifix earrings is a sad demonstration of the power of abusing the divine imprimatur.
I have not fully memorized the New Testament. BUT !
I don't recall any red letter passages condemning trans, or LGBTQ.

Mace,
You can be a hater.
You can be a Christian.
Both ?
 
"Jesus never said a word about gay sex." S2 #1,512
... leaving it to the pseudo-Christians to fill in the gaps
adding the pretense of divine legitimacy to their own deep-seated, destructive bigotry.

Important note:
I've met several Christians in my long life.
There are several consistencies among them, including
rather than brandishing their religion confrontationally, they applied such counterintuitive principles as "turn the other cheek".

Pseudo-Christians seek to elevate their own personal grudge, but usually sully Christianity if not in fact, in superficial appearance. "False flag."
They may not disgrace Christianity, but they disgrace themselves.

Attempting to lift ones self up by putting others down is disgraceful.
 
... leaving it to the pseudo-Christians to fill in the gaps
adding the pretense of divine legitimacy to their own deep-seated, destructive bigotry.
The passages on gay sex that they generally like to cite are in the Old Testament (Leviticus 18:22 for example). When pressed on the fact that Jesus never said anything on the topic of gay sex they do come up with other passages in the New Testament but clam up when it's pointed out that, while the passages they point to, aren't quotes by Jesus - just by other people.
 
" the passages they point to, aren't quotes by Jesus - just by other people." S2 #1,514
Thereby creating a Frankenstein argument, a semantic façade for an unjustifiable position.

Morality is about judgment.
Ethics is about rules of conduct (based on morality). [from sear's notes]
 
The passages on gay sex that they generally like to cite are in the Old Testament (Leviticus 18:22 for example). When pressed on the fact that Jesus never said anything on the topic of gay sex they do come up with other passages in the New Testament but clam up when it's pointed out that, while the passages they point to, aren't quotes by Jesus - just by other people.

When I was a kid in Sunday school, it always struck me how there were no women in the social circle of Jesus.
All male apostles, no girl friends, etc.
 
"When I was a kid in Sunday school, it always struck me how there were no women in the social circle of Jesus.
All male apostles, no girl friends, etc." R5 #1,516
Yes BUT !
It's difficult to sort out how much of that reflects:
- the bias of the author/s
- the social structure of the time
- JC's personal preference
 
Yes BUT !
It's difficult to sort out how much of that reflects:
- the bias of the author/s
- the social structure of the time
- JC's personal preference

There are some interesting fictional stories about Mary Magdalene moving to Province, France, and starting a colony there, that Dan Brown alluded to in some of his stories.
 
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