Uvalde - the followup

[Rigby5]

That suggests the intent of such incarceration is deterrence. If not that, what?
And if that, does it work?

Deterrence means preventing future repetitions.
But incarceration in this case does not do that, since he has no other sons he could buy a rifle for.
Instead this takes a grieving father and increases his pain, for no reason.
And that just increases the spiral of violence.
Making a foolish mistake is not the same as having harmful intent.
This makes the legal system an extension of personal vengence.

 

[sear]

"Deterrence means preventing future repetitions." R5 #281

Correct.

"But incarceration in this case does not do that, since he has no other sons he could buy a rifle for." R5 #281

Deterrence is not confined to a single bloodline.

"Instead this takes a grieving father and increases his pain, for no reason." R5 #281

The "grieving father" that purchased the deadly weapon and gifted it to the criminal?

I think we should deter such parental "generosity".

"And that just increases the spiral of violence.
Making a foolish mistake is not the same as having harmful intent.
This makes the legal system an extension of personal vengence." R5 #281

I'll review the study you refer to if you post a link to it.
But generally though few if any credible experts tout deterrence as 100% effective,
I know of no such experts that advocate abandoning deterrence entirely.

"This makes the legal system an extension of personal vengence." R5 #281

What improvement would you suggest?
Continue to allow parents to gift to their children deadly weapons unsupervised? Uncontrolled?
Like Sandy Hook?

 

[Rigby5]

Correct.


Deterrence is not confined to a single bloodline.


The "grieving father" that purchased the deadly weapon and gifted it to the criminal?

I think we should deter such parental "generosity".


I'll review the study you refer to if you post a link to it.
But generally though few if any credible experts tout deterrence as 100% effective,
I know of no such experts that advocate abandoning deterrence entirely.


What improvement would you suggest?
Continue to allow parents to gift to their children deadly weapons unsupervised? Uncontrolled?
Like Sandy Hook?

There is absolutely nothing remotely wrong with gifting your 18-year-old children a rifle, unsupervised and uncontrolled.
The mistake was failing to provide psychiatric treatment after he had been warned by others.
Which is in itself a psychiatric symptom of denial.
It is not criminal, which requires a harmful intent.

 

[Shiftless2]

There is absolutely nothing remotely wrong with gifting your 18-year-old children a rifle, unsupervised and uncontrolled.
The mistake was failing to provide psychiatric treatment after he had been warned by others.

The mistake went beyond not providing psychiatric treatment. It included his father giving him the gun when he already knew his son needed psychiatric help.

 

[sear]

"There is absolutely nothing remotely wrong with gifting your 18-year-old children a rifle, unsupervised and uncontrolled." R5 #283

In law? Perhaps.

B.O. R. ARTICLE #2: Ratified December 15, 1791
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Constitution does not require that the gift recipient reach the age of five years.
None the less it would be imprudent to gift a deadly weapon to such a citizen.

"The mistake was failing to provide psychiatric treatment after he had been warned by others." R5 #283

"The mistake went beyond not providing psychiatric treatment. It included his father giving him the gun when he already knew his son needed psychiatric help." S2 #284

I don't have all the details of this case.
But there's at least an appearance that there were doubt / confidence issues between father & son, and
father may have tried to smooth it over by indicating confidence in son with such gift.

Generally there's a notion that a gift will be welcomed,
that any gift will provide utility to the recipient.
In this case?