Shiftless2
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I heard that on the news earlier this morning - I only have one question - does Iran know about this?
The war in Iran (or whose war is it anyways?)
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President Trump has been announcing being days away from an Iran War peace deal, for weeks.
The small print on the current news flash is that it's a 60 day ceasefire.
The small print on the current news flash is that it's a 60 day ceasefire.
What’s in the White House deal with Iran
In its current form, the agreement would establish a 60-day ceasefire, a memorandum of understanding between Washington and Tehran, and the immediate reopening of the Strait of Hormuz to international shipping.Shiftless2
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Them's weasel words ....
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She Walks Right Into THIS!
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A wise and skillful leader can use magnanimity to inspire constructive cooperation even among former opponents.
A nation for example can host an international competition to showcase its own maturity, competence.
A weak and nefarious leader can pretend to magnanimity at the onset, then switch to peevish malice against his invitees.
Trump has made himself a world-class fool by arranging his own defeat and humiliation at the hands of the Iranians.
The following headlines suggests Trump's actual perspective.
Published June 16, 2026 2:47pm EDT
www.foxnews.com
An exception?
It might seem to be. How to explain the following?
Uruguay's World Cup team faces security hurdle in US
Story by Hugh Cameron
The Uruguay men’s team appeared to face another security hurdle when arriving in Miami for their opening match of the FIFA World Cup, having already had their flight from Mexico to the U.S. severely delayed by apparent paperwork issues.
A video, which made its way onto social media on Monday, purported to show the team held outside their bus—as they were preparing to take on Saudi Arabia at Miami Stadium—while security officers and sniffer dogs carefully inspect their luggage.
President Trump seems to have the temperament of a impetuous school girl.
A nation for example can host an international competition to showcase its own maturity, competence.
A weak and nefarious leader can pretend to magnanimity at the onset, then switch to peevish malice against his invitees.
Trump has made himself a world-class fool by arranging his own defeat and humiliation at the hands of the Iranians.
The following headlines suggests Trump's actual perspective.
Iran World Cup team forced to leave US after tournament opener in apparent change of plans
Coach Amir Ghalenoei called the situation 'very strange' and said his team is 'the most oppressed in the World Cup'
By Ryan Morik Fox NewsPublished June 16, 2026 2:47pm EDT
Iran World Cup team forced to leave US after tournament opener in apparent change of plans
Iran's World Cup soccer team was ordered to leave the U.S. immediately after its opening match, says coach Amir Ghalenoei, disrupting recovery plans.
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An exception?
It might seem to be. How to explain the following?
Uruguay's World Cup team faces security hurdle in US
Story by Hugh Cameron
The Uruguay men’s team appeared to face another security hurdle when arriving in Miami for their opening match of the FIFA World Cup, having already had their flight from Mexico to the U.S. severely delayed by apparent paperwork issues.
A video, which made its way onto social media on Monday, purported to show the team held outside their bus—as they were preparing to take on Saudi Arabia at Miami Stadium—while security officers and sniffer dogs carefully inspect their luggage.
President Trump seems to have the temperament of a impetuous school girl.
Shiftless2
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Safe to say that MAGA won't understand this - history isn't exactly their strong suit - guaranteed that they'll have no idea why the Treaty was signed there.
I do not know. https://armistice-museum.com/the-treaty-of-versailles/
What do you have in mind here S2?
"A picture is worth a thousand words." That one, perhaps 800.
It makes a perfectly valid point about Iran's superiority, but
undermines the public impression of checkers.
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The Treaty of Versailles was signed at the Palace of Versailles to inflict maximum symbolic humiliation on Germany and to celebrate France’s military recovery. The location was heavily tied to French and German history and was chosen for deep practical, diplomatic, and symbolic reasons.
The choice of signing the treaty at Versailles was driven by several deliberate factors:
The choice of signing the treaty at Versailles was driven by several deliberate factors:
- Symmetrical Humiliation: In 1871, following the Franco-Prussian War, the victorious Germans declared the creation of the German Empire in the very same room—the Hall of Mirrors. The French chose this exact location in 1919 to reverse that historical humiliation.
- Historical Anniversary: The treaty was signed on June 28, 1919. This date marked exactly five years since the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, which was the proximate event that triggered World War I.
- Capacity and Security: The vast Palace of Versailles, located just outside of Paris, offered the necessary large formal rooms to accommodate the massive global delegations. It also provided a secure, controlled environment away from the potential strikes, riots, and unrest occurring in central Paris at the time.
Oh.
I suspect many didn't know that.
Human population median age: 31 years.
That means most born after 1994, right?
Here's how Trump's memo of understanding with Iran compares to the Obama nuclear deal
June 17, 2026 / 6:45 PM EDT / CBS NewsThe Trump administration says its memorandum of understanding is far superior to the Obama administration's 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), and will do much more to prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth insists it will be different from the JCPOA because the U.S. will "make sure the military option is there," something Mr. Trump stressed.
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Although the memorandum is merely a roadmap for further negotiations, since Trump administration officials are comparing the two, here are some of the differences and similarities:
Both deals ban Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons — but the JCPOA was far more specific about how
Here's how Trump's memo of understanding with Iran compares to the Obama nuclear deal
The Obama-era Iran deal was packed with technical details and specific requirements limiting, but not shutting down, Iran's nuclear program. President Trump's new agreement is more of a framework, and it's not final yet.
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After Months of War, Trump Says Iran Has Right to Nuclear Program
Trump now says it’s just “common sense” for Iran to have a nuclear program.
After Months of War, Trump Says Iran Has Right to Nuclear Program
Trump now says it’s just “common sense” for Iran to have a nuclear program.newrepublic.com
If you scroll down on that page you'll see that Trump has now backtracked on one of his greatest demands
Trump Admits He Caved on One of His Biggest Demands in Iran War
Trump’s deal with Iran leaves out his biggest demands at the start of the war.
Trump Admits He Caved on One of His Biggest Demands in Iran War
Trump’s deal with Iran leaves out his biggest demands at the start of the war.
And then there's this
Trump Says Only One Way to Enforce Iran Deal—and It’s a Bombshell
There is nothing actually enforceable in the text of the agreement itself.
Trump Says Only One Way to Enforce Iran Deal—and It’s a Bombshell
There is nothing actually enforceable in the text of the agreement itself.
Trump Team Gets Into Dispute Over Iran Deal Signing
Donald Trump’s spokespeople had a different message from that of a diplomat from one of the mediating countries.
Trump Team Gets Into Dispute Over Iran Deal Signing
Donald Trump’s spokespeople had a different message from that of a diplomat from one of the mediating countries.
And this morning's news says that Vance has pulled out of these meetings.
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The months-long conflict, which pitted the world's most powerful military against a far weaker, yet strategically adept, adversary cost the lives of 13 U.S. service members and more than 3,300 Iranians, according to state media. Another 3,826 have been killed in Lebanon, nearly 60 in Israel and dozens across Gulf states, according to authorities in those countries.
Moody's Analytics estimates the war has cost U.S. consumers and taxpayers about $132 billion so far, and the meter is still running.
The most visible piece of that cost is higher energy prices, resulting from the near shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz.
Similarly, diesel fuel prices jumped from $3.76 a gallon on the eve of the war to a peak of $5.69 in early April, according to AAA. That raises transportation costs for everything that travels by truck or train. The price of airline tickets has also jumped nearly 27% in the last year, largely as a result of higher jet fuel prices.
(Not everyone is a loser when energy prices soar. Oil companies have profited from the higher prices.)Other commodities that usually travel through the Strait of Hormuz have also seen dramatic price increases. A survey by the American Farm Bureau Federation in April found that fertilizer prices had climbed up to 47%, and about 70% of U.S. farmers said they were unable to afford all the fertilizer they need. That may or may not affect the price that consumers ultimately pay for food, since farmers are often unable to pass along their input costs. But it will certainly add to persistent challenges in the agricultural economy.
The war has also contributed to a jump in mortgage rates, making it more expensive to buy a home. Home sales have been in a slump for the last several years, but forecasters had been hoping for a modest rebound when mortgage rates briefly dipped below 6% earlier this year, just before the war began.
The Iran war has delivered a tumultuous blow globally. This month the World Bank cut its 2026 global economic growth forecast to 2.5%, the lowest since the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.npr.org/2026/06/17/nx-s1-5860739/iran-war-cost-oil-military-trade
The White House has stopped denying the figure and started emphasizing that none of the money will come from American taxpayers.a provision that says the U.S. and its partners intend to "create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran … ensuring financing of at least $300 billion.
"When the Obama-era Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, took shape a decade ago, the Democratic administration also made clear that the economic relief Iran was poised to enjoy would come from unfrozen Iranian funds but included no money from American taxpayers. A guy by the name of Donald Trump said that wasn't good enough.
At a Republican presidential primary debate in late 2015, Trump called the JCPOA a "horrible, disgusting, absolutely incompetent deal with Iran where they get $150 billion," adding, "They're a terrorist nation." A month later, the future president went on to say, "I just don't understand how we could have made a deal where we're giving somebody that's a terror nation $150 billion."That figure was a wild exaggeration, and "we" didn't give Iran so much as a penny. But now, a decade later, it's the Trump administration that might be moving forward with an apparent agreement to give Iran access to $300 billion — double the amount he deplored as a candidate.
As the framework draws criticism from the left, right and center, Politico reported, "The administration's response is that we should all wait and see — that Iran is making much bigger promises on nukes behind the scenes."But that's not much of a response, either. As recently as two days ago, senior U.S. officials told reporters on a background call, "There'll be no side deals" with Iran.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/debate-over-iran-deal-takes-150628813.html
What does the United States receive? Other than an Iranian assurance that the Strait of Hormuz will be open again, not much. Iran promised never to produce a nuclear weapon in the MOU, but this is not exactly a bombshell; Tehran has committed to this multiple times before, including at the very top of the Obama-era Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action that Trump shredded in his first term. The details of how this commitment will be verified, the extent to which Iran will be able to retain some of its nuclear infrastructure and enriched uranium stockpile, how long an enrichment ban will last or whether there will be an enrichment ban at all are still to be determined. Trump, perhaps in response to the bad media coverage this week, is already threatening to resume airstrikes if the talks don’t go his way.
https://unherd.com/newsroom/us-iran-deal-looks-like-a-total-capitulation/
https://theconversation.com/whats-i...omises-from-trump-in-return-for-little-285597
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch
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Switzerland confirms Iran talks postponed after White House says Vance 'not departing tonight'
Trump team halts Vance’s Switzerland trip as Iran issues stark warning over deal
Vice President JD Vance has cancelled a planned trip to Switzerland for the next round of U.S.-Iran negotiations as Tehran’s lead negotiator warns America will face an “even harder slap” if it violates the emerging agreement.
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The explanation for the 'not departing tonight' headline above seems to be:
VP Vance was willing & prepared to attend, but
Iran chose to not send a delegation. Though we can't be certain why,
some reports indicate Israel is still waging War.
ABC-TV Jimmy Kimmel Live observed if Trump was asked either of the following two questions, the answer is the same:
- Who was your War with?
- How did it end?
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And just to humiliate you losers further here's $300 billion
But his ultimatum was correct - the US did surrender unconditionally
But his ultimatum was correct - the US did surrender unconditionally
Do we have reliable, accurate information on what U.S. military operations against Iran have cost U.S. so far? Is it more, or less than $300 $Billion?
Trump, ostensible author of The Art Of The Deal.
President Trump is a bumbling incompetent !
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That $300 billion is the amount that (supposedly) will be made available to Iran. The estimates I've seen for the war itself have generally been in the order of $65 to $100 billion.
Indeed.
That's already been reported.
So to reduce security against Iran from what Obama / JCPOA accomplished, Trump expended
over a dozen U.S. service members, $tens of $Billions in mortal combat, and then
$hundreds of $Billions to bribe Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz?
President Trump is a bumbling incompetent !
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And it's not clear how long the truce is going to hold.