The Second Term of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America

[Shiftless2]

Everyone is qualified to conclude the mRNA was a total failure since it not only did not prevent covid spread or severity, but additionally cause hundreds of additional deaths, amputations, etc.

Hardly. But if you're going to make claims like that you're going to have to provide links to legitmate peer reviewed sources.

The least qualified person in the world can easily tell that the mRNA not only did not work at all, but could not possibly work.
It contained no dead pathogen.

And that's why it wouldn't work? Or because it didn't meet your definition of "a vaccine" (the one you made up)

And the immune system can not use spike proteins at an epitope, because our own exosome already have to use the same spike proteins.

Do you even know what that sentence means?

 

[sear]

"Santa has been reading your posts all year. Most of you are getting science books." #2,101

Santa!
Can I have one by Stephen Hawking ?

 

[Rigby5]

Hardly. But if you're going to make claims like that you're going to have to provide links to legitmate peer reviewed sources.


And that's why it wouldn't work? Or because it didn't meet your definition of "a vaccine" (the one you made up)


Do you even know what that sentence means?

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It does not need "peer reviewed sources" because the mRNA failure was so obvious.
The mRNA did not at all reduce spread, which means it did not cause the immune system of anyone to recognize and attack the corona virus.
That is the "definition" of a vaccine that everyone uses.
There is nothing "made up" about that criteria.
And since Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA methodology, and he says it can't be used for a vaccine, that pretty much sums it up.

All cells in our body have ACE2 receptors on their outer cell wall, that engulf and draw in or out, whatever sticks an appropriate spike protein into their receptor site.
These are essential because each cell has to communicate with the rest of the body.
For example, when the cell is in trouble, it sends out exosomes to warn the immune system.
When a new cell is created by a diffusion split, exosomes from the outside have to enter the cell in order to tell the cell what kind of cell it is supposed to differentiate into.

The entire reason corona viruses have spike proteins is that they are mimicking our own exosomes.
So the spike protein can not be used as the "epitope" that identifies a pathogen.
The body has to be neutral to the spike proteins, because our own exosomes already have to use the same spike protein to activate ACE2 receptors.

This video explains a bit more about exosomes and ACE2 receptors, and should make it obvious why the mRNA method of making our own cells grow spike proteins, is worthless.

 

[Rigby5]

From the Christmas thread

Merry Christmas from the GOP


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What we need is Medicare for all.
The way to do health care is to have all people in the same risk pool, and there is no need for a private company to skim off profits, since income tax already is an appropriate way of paying into the shared risk pool.

 

[Rigby5]

"The definition of a pedophile" may not "matter" to those entirely uninterested in the welfare of the females involved.
I'm not disregarding the utility of law enforcement. But if U.S. public officials perpetrate sexual misuse of children I'm not prepared to ignore it if perpetrated outside U.S. jurisdiction.


I followed the link: https://perma.cc/6EX7-CFNP
I see no credentials disclosed signifying the opinion is from an authority.
And when opinion of that type is plausible, it's indicated by data. No data offered here.
The linked opinion corroborates your opinion, or perhaps, the reverse.

But it's all premised on an absurdity, that many hundreds of millions in the U.S., Western Europe, and beyond, were either party to, or "tooken" by this anti-science balderdash.

Please do not infer less than I imply.
Producing enough vaccine to treat a planet, within approximately a year of that global pandemic being declared is impressive if not miraculous.
I gather it would not have been possible without mRNA technology.

To the very best of my knowledge conspiracies on that scale simply do not exist.





It's anecdotal.
But I got 5 Pfizer, I have an underlying condition, and no noticeable detriment from any of the vax.

I understand there's a risk to benefit ratio with medical treatment, vaccination no exception. Simple dental x-rays could lead to death. BUT !
Institutionally we've done the risk : benefit calculation with these procedures & treatments, and wouldn't practice them if the risks outweighed the benefits.

I just read this again and have to point out that ONLY the US used mRNA.
No other country did that.
And in fact, there is no reliable medical source that says mRNA can ever be used as a vaccine, in any way.
The normal use of mRNA is to reprogram cells to produce necessary proteins if the person has a protein deficiency.
All other countries created successful covid vaccines that contained dead covid pathogens or simulations.
None of them reprogrammed our own cells to grow spike proteins with mRNA.

For example, the Novavax is an example of what the rest of the world used for covid.
{...
“This vaccine contains harmless spike protein subunits with an adjuvant added to boost immune response. And, unlike mRNA vaccines, protein-based vaccines do not contain any genetic material,” said Dr. Fryhofer. “Our vast experience with protein subunit vaccines should be reassuring to those who worry about the newness of mRNA vaccine technology.”

“This protein-based platform is new for COVID vaccines but it's not really new. This technology has been around for more than 30 years,” she said, noting “it’s already been used in making other vaccines, for example, for flu, hepatitis B and whooping cough.”
...}

What doctors wish patients knew about the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine

There’s a fourth COVID-19 vaccine option available. A physician expert explains what patients should know about the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[sear]

"What we need is Medicare for all.
The way to do health care is to have all people in the same risk pool, and there is no need for a private company to skim off profits, since income tax already is an appropriate way of paying into the shared risk pool." R5 #2,104

Single payer has its advocates.

Without offering a conclusion, seems to me the most favorable per capita healthcare outcomes at lowest per capita cost would seem an obvious selection criterion. BUT :

"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." Thomas Jefferson

There would seem to be a Darwinian dynamic regarding free-market healthcare.
Citizens that contribute to humanity tend to be rewarded (in theory?).

Are we contaminating the human gene pool by extending healthcare to all? Is there a persuasive counter-argument to meritocracy?

 

[Rigby5]

Single payer has its advocates.

Without offering a conclusion, seems to me the most favorable per capita healthcare outcomes at lowest per capita cost would seem an obvious selection criterion. BUT :

There would seem to be a Darwinian dynamic regarding free-market healthcare.
Citizens that contribute to humanity tend to be rewarded (in theory?).

Are we contaminating the human gene pool by extending healthcare to all? Is there a persuasive counter-argument to meritocracy?

There are a couple of good reasons why we need single payer of some sort.

One is that it can't be voluntary since the whole point of a combined risk pool is that everyone who can afford it has to contribute for it to work.
Otherwise the selfish won't contribute, and it will fail.

Second is that if we allow the wealthy to buy better health care than the poor, then how can we claim this is a republic, where all people are supposed to have equal rights?

Expensive health care is not Darwinian because the trait that enhanced human species survival was empathy to the group, not self interests.
A Scrooge mentality does not enhance human evolution, but sets it back.
Con men like Trump are the most wealthy, but we should not want health care to reward that.

 

[sear]

"There are a couple of good reasons why we need single payer of some sort." R5 #2,107

Single-payer may be at or near optimal for socialized medicine.

But the more fundamental question is, though socialized medicine may solve some problems, it may create others.

"One is that it can't be voluntary since the whole point of a combined risk pool is that everyone who can afford it has to contribute for it to work.
Otherwise the selfish won't contribute, and it will fail." R5 #2,107

Christian Scientists avoid advanced medical treatments. This is their First Amendment right.
Should the U.S. be allowed to require Christian Scientists to pay into a system they deliberately avoid for religious reason?

Should the U.S. be allowed to require pacifists to pay tax spent by the Pentagon?

"...the [U.S.] federal government is used more & more as an agent of [wealth] redistribution." W.F.Buckley Jr.

"Second is that if we allow the wealthy to buy better health care than the poor, then how can we claim this is a republic, where all people are supposed to have equal rights?" R5 #2,107

Our system aspires toward equality of opportunity, not necessarily equality of outcomes.

It is dangerous to assert / act on the notion that healthcare is a right.
It isn't.
It can't be.

Why not?
Because for the moment healthcare is something humans provide to humans.

The premise that patients are entitled to healthcare embraces slavery.

Also note:
On Sunday the 14th of December CBS-TV 60 Minutes broadcast a segment titled The Price of Life about very expensive pharma. "Many cost millions of dollars for a single dose."
Utilitarianism suggests paying one thousand dollars to cure one thousand patients makes more sense than paying one million dollars to cure one patient.

 

[Rigby5]

Single-payer may be at or near optimal for socialized medicine.

But the more fundamental question is, though socialized medicine may solve some problems, it may create others.


Christian Scientists avoid advanced medical treatments. This is their First Amendment right.
Should the U.S. be allowed to require Christian Scientists to pay into a system they deliberately avoid for religious reason?

Should the U.S. be allowed to require pacifists to pay tax spent by the Pentagon?



Our system aspires toward equality of opportunity, not necessarily equality of outcomes.

It is dangerous to assert / act on the notion that healthcare is a right.
It isn't.
It can't be.

Why not?
Because for the moment healthcare is something humans provide to humans.

The premise that patients are entitled to healthcare embraces slavery.

Also note:
On Sunday the 14th of December CBS-TV 60 Minutes broadcast a segment titled The Price of Life about very expensive pharma. "Many cost millions of dollars for a single dose."
Utilitarianism suggests paying one thousand dollars to cure one thousand patients makes more sense than paying one million dollars to cure one patient.

Yes, Christian Scientists and pacifists should be required to contribute to things they personally would not do to themselves.
The choice of not doing something to yourself does not mean you can skip your group obligations to those who do want it.

The reality is that no pharma is actually expensive to make.
It is all profiteering, and that is the whole point of what we need to stop.

Healthcare is and has to be a right, even though provided by others.
Without health care, you have no life. You die.
It is not a question of slavery for 2 reasons.
One is that people want to be doctors and nurses, since it is so emotionally satisfying to be able to help people.
Second is the fact the need for expensive health care is so rare, that the 10,000 people needed to support each single case in need, makes the cost insignificant.
That the whole point of a risk pool.
You dilute the cost until it becomes insignificant.

 

[Shiftless2]

It does not need "peer reviewed sources" because the mRNA failure was so obvious.
The mRNA did not at all reduce spread, which means it did not cause the immune system of anyone to recognize and attack the corona virus.

Absolute heifer dust (aka - bullshit).

That is the "definition" of a vaccine that everyone uses.
There is nothing "made up" about that criteria.

And science has long moved on from that definition. We now have a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus

And since Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA methodology, and he says it can't be used for a vaccine, that pretty much sums it up.

Not quite true. You should learn something about the history of mRNA technology.

In-Depth: Did Robert Malone invent mRNA vaccines in San Diego?

An enigmatic scientist’s work in San Diego in the late 1980s proved to be an important step in the road to the COVID-19 vaccines. Today, he’s one of the most prominent critics of the technology he claims to have helped invent.

www.10news.com

 

[Rigby5]

Absolute heifer dust (aka - bullshit).



And science has long moved on from that definition. We now have a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus



Not quite true. You should learn something about the history of mRNA technology.

In-Depth: Did Robert Malone invent mRNA vaccines in San Diego?

An enigmatic scientist’s work in San Diego in the late 1980s proved to be an important step in the road to the COVID-19 vaccines. Today, he’s one of the most prominent critics of the technology he claims to have helped invent.

www.10news.com

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There is no reason why you can not build or grow something that can work as a vaccine in a lab vat.
But mRNA is not like that.
What mRNA does is dangerously reprogram our own cells to try to simulate a pathogen, causing risky autoimmune responses that could easily be fatal.
The mRNA used for covid has caused hundreds of people to need amputations after the mRNA left the arm muscle, got into the bloodstream, and cause capillary cells to start growing spike proteins.
That is insanely risky and should never have been allowed by the FDA or AMA.
Clearly it was the $90 billion in profits to Pfizer and Moderna that were dictating US health policies.

 

[Shiftless2]

Sorry Rigby but you definitely need a change of wardrobe - maybe starting with a new hat.



Meanwhile, how about some peer reviewed articles in legitimate medical and scientific journals supporting your claims.

 

[Rigby5]

Sorry Rigby but you definitely need a change of wardrobe - maybe starting with a new hat.

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Meanwhile, how about some peer reviewed articles in legitimate medical and scientific journals supporting your claims.

Here is one.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9876036/

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Their concurrent activation initiates a synchronized innate response against non-self nucleic acids, prompting type-I interferon and pro-inflammatory cytokine production which, if unregulated, leads to autoinflammatory and autoimmune conditions, while activated TEs increase the risk of insertional mutagenesis of the reverse transcribed molecules, which can disrupt coding regions, enhance the risk of mutations in tumour suppressor genes, and lead to sustained DNA damage. Susceptible individuals would then expectedly have an increased risk of DNA damage, chronic autoinflammation, autoimmunity and cancer.
In light of the current mass administration of nms-mRNA vaccines, it is essential and urgent to fully understand the intracellular cascades initiated by cellular uptake of synthetic mRNA and the consequences of these molecular events.
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[Rigby5]

It would be trivial to grow spike proteins in a lab vat.
Then you would know exactly what the response would be to an injection of a known amount of spike proteins.

But when you inject mRNA to make our own cells produce the spike proteins, with some people you will get none, while in others you will get a fatal amount.
It literally is insane to reprogram our own cell ribosomes to start making spike proteins.

 

[Rigby5]

Absolute heifer dust (aka - bullshit).



And science has long moved on from that definition. We now have a new type of vaccine that uses a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) rather than part of an actual bacteria or virus



Not quite true. You should learn something about the history of mRNA technology.

In-Depth: Did Robert Malone invent mRNA vaccines in San Diego?

An enigmatic scientist’s work in San Diego in the late 1980s proved to be an important step in the road to the COVID-19 vaccines. Today, he’s one of the most prominent critics of the technology he claims to have helped invent.

www.10news.com

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When I read this I suspect you still do not understand mRNA.
The mRNA is not a synthetic replacement for the dead pathogen we used to use in vaccines.
The mRNA is instructions to over ride the programming of the ribosomes in our own cells, to start our own cells growing spike proteins.
Since our own cells are not supposed to have spike proteins, the immune system then attacks and destroys those effected cells, which is highly dangerous.
And there is no reason for this.
If you want to create synthetic epitopes to get our immune system prepared for a pathogen, you grow those synthetic epitopes in lab vats.
You do NOT reprogram the ribosomes in our own cells, with the intent of getting those cells attacked by our own immune system.

 

[Shiftless2]

Let’s be clear: this IS Trump’s immigration machine — and just because the torture is on foreign soil doesn’t wash the blood off American hands. This report wasn’t meant to be seen. Inside CECOT, a vetted 60 Minutes investigation, was yanked hours before broadcast and later leaked online anyway.

So what exactly didn’t they want us to know?

They didn’t want ordinary people to connect the simplest dots: when you ship human beings into a place built for cruelty, you own the cruelty.

The leaked reporting centers on testimony that reads like a history lesson we were promised would never repeat. People describe being beaten routinely, forced into stress positions, thrown into dark cells, and treated like their bodies are just objects to move, bend, break.

In the leaked video clip circulating, one detainee says: “After they locked us in, they came to beat us every half hour.” That’s not “detention.” That’s a gulag with better lighting.

And here’s the part that needs to be said in plain language:

1. If you know a place tortures people
2. and you send people there anyway,
3. THEN YOU ARE HELPING TORTURE HAPPEN

It doesn’t matter if the fist belongs to a foreign guard. The decision belongs to us. That’s what “outsourcing brutality” means.

One of the men reported on by Reuters is ....

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[Rigby5]

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Let’s be clear: this IS Trump’s immigration machine — and just because the torture is on foreign soil doesn’t wash the blood off American hands. This report wasn’t meant to be seen. Inside CECOT, a vetted 60 Minutes investigation, was yanked hours before broadcast and later leaked online anyway.

So what exactly didn’t they want us to know?

They didn’t want ordinary people to connect the simplest dots: when you ship human beings into a place built for cruelty, you own the cruelty.

The leaked reporting centers on testimony that reads like a history lesson we were promised would never repeat. People describe being beaten routinely, forced into stress positions, thrown into dark cells, and treated like their bodies are just objects to move, bend, break.

In the leaked video clip circulating, one detainee says: “After they locked us in, they came to beat us every half hour.” That’s not “detention.” That’s a gulag with better lighting.

And here’s the part that needs to be said in plain language:

1. If you know a place tortures people
2. and you send people there anyway,
3. THEN YOU ARE HELPING TORTURE HAPPEN

It doesn’t matter if the fist belongs to a foreign guard. The decision belongs to us. That’s what “outsourcing brutality” means.

One of the men reported on by Reuters is ....

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What makes it even worse is that like Kilmar, the victims were not even charged with a crime, much less convicted.

 

[Shiftless2]

In case you missed it, Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales, a U.S. citizen born in Prince George’s County, Maryland was picked up Sunday despite her little sister (17) saying she’s a citizen.

Agents ignored the younger sister and refused to look at their IDs proving they were citizens. Dulce is much darker than her sisters which is why her sister believes she was singled out.

Despite immigration attorneys filing habeas corpus and a judge granting an emergency stay, agents moved her from Maryland to Louisiana. They are claiming her birth certificate, immunization record, and other documents are fake. Her lawyers also have sworn affidavits and confirmation from the hospital in Maryland where she was born.

Federal agents still refuse to accept the documentation stating that it’s all fake. They are claiming she’s an illegal Mexican national and are attempting to deport her to Mexico. She is a United States citizen. It’s unclear if she has dual citizenship, which she would qualify for since her parents are from Mexico but that doesn’t negate her American birthright citizenship.

Now, here’s my personal opinion. They’re using her as a test case. There’s currently the birthright citizenship case in the Supreme Court that the administration is arguing that people born of non U.S. citizens parents can’t be citizens. They’re claiming it would only apply to infants born after February 2024.

But they recently announced they plan denaturalize (strip citizenship) from people they deem lied on their application. They’re also discussing not allowing people from certain countries U.S. citizenship. I think they’re holding her in hopes she can ....

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[Shiftless2]

 

[Rigby5]

Funny thing is that the only reason to be interested in Greenland is if you believe global warming is true.
There actually is money to be made selling all that fresh water run off, to places like Saudi Arabia.