"Unless you're going to fall back on the claim that "everything needs a creator"" S2 #1,737
		
		
	 
Anything created has a creator.
That's not an endorsement, or even an acknowledgement of any supernatural anything.
	
		
	
	
		
		
			"... and then argue that "god" (or whoever/whatever) is the creator what does religion have to do with it?" S2 #1,737
		
		
	 
You've done well here (and elsewhen), embracing the self-sabotaging cultural reality religionists have metaphorically planted the flag.
Obvious example, the word "god". BUT !! Even the religionists don't agree. Some call god Odin, others Shiva, Jehovah, Allah, or J.C. ...
If each of these groups can plant their false flag, and be wrong in so doing, should we empower them to either:
 - prevent us from being right, or
 - interfere with our appreciation of it?
	
	
		
		
			"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." Professor / Author / Astronomer Dr. Carl Sagan
		
		
	 
It's worth acknowledging the distinction between theology and philosophy.
A creation myth, popular in our culture can be found here.
An alternate explanation disclosed here.
If either or neither of these two differing explanations approximates actual history, each individual can appreciate / enjoy sentience, or not.
Is the life of an ingrate not to some degree wasted?
	
		
	
	
		
		
			"Of course that argument leads to the classic: "Who created the Creator?" and then "Who created that Creator?" and of course "Who created ...?" ad infinitum" S2 #1,737
		
		
	 
This is a relevant distinction between supernatural, and natural explanations.
If the singular question is: - how did we get here - and the answer offered for consideration is " - god - " that indeed merely tilts the first domino. BUT !
There's a similar indeterminate chain for the scientific / big bang explanation. If the genesis that preceded our big bang was the previous big bang, how many of them were there before?
For the theological purist, one whose interest is not connected to the $collection $plate, but instead a sincere inquiry about actual history, the ... and who fathered that god? And who fathered his father ... ?
	
		
	
	
		
		
			" ad infinitum" S2 #1,737
		
		
	 
In either case, perhaps.
Pascal's Wager is not an argument for the existence of god. It's cowardly justification for hypocrisy.
	
	
		
		
			"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S.president. Letter, 10 Aug. 1787
		
		
	 
As Paul Harvey said, to shuck right down to the cob, this discussion might seem a contest between supernatural, and natural ideologies.
Actually it's an appeal to appreciation.