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"There's nothing like what has happened in the last 10 months." ~ Trump
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And those stories were passed down orally for generations before being written down and anyone who's played the child's game "telephone" (sometimes called Chinese whispers) knows how stories change in the telling.
The issue of "witnesses" isn't restricted to stories in the Old Testament. The gospels were written years (decades actually) after the supposed date of the crucifixion and then by unknown authors who had never met Jesus.
Actually it's worse than the "telephone" comment sounds because we don't have the original manuscripts from when they were first written down. We don't even have copies of those manuscripts. What we have are copies of copies of copies of copies of .... you get the idea. And every time a copy was made it provided an opportunity for copyist errors to creep in. Especially since, in many cases the copyist didn't speak the language they were copying. Worse yet it provided the copyist an opportunity to "amend" the text to agree with their own personal orthodoxy.
A couple of the more obvious ones:
1) Everyone knows the story of Jesus and the adulteress ("Let he who is without sin ...."). Great story with an important moral but it doesn't appear in any version of the Bible before the 12th century;
2) In the oldest Bibles in our possession the Gospel according to Mark ends with Mark 16:8. Everything afterwards (Mark 16:9-20) was added at some later date, probably to make it agree with Matthew.
And then there's the issue of translations. I was always told that the story Jesus told that compared the difficulty of a rich man entering heaven to a camel passing thru the eye of a needle was a mistranslation. The words for camel and rope were similar and the copyist confused the two. I've since heard that the needle referred to a narrow gate into Jerusalem that a camel could only pass thru on its knees (this gate being used at night when the main gates were closed). Two problems with this version - there never was such a gate and camels can't walk on their knees. So .....
And then there are cultural issues - how to translate something to a modern language when the very concepts the words applied to don't exist today. A simple example - think about a future archaeologist whose native language is not English and who has not grown up in today's culture. And he's faced with translating something that contains the words "horseplay" and "pony play" - I'm sure he could be forgiven for assuming that they mean the same thing. (If you don't understand the difference google is your friend.)
Fact is, the major religions can't even agree on how many books are in the bible. Restricting our attention to the Old Testament for a moment the major religions can’t agree on how many books there should be. The Jews have 24 books, the Protestants 39, the Catholics 46, and the Eastern Orthodox have 51.
The list goes on ....
I did not know that.
I still don't. I use https://www.startpage.com/sp/search and was offered a hit about BDSM.
I don't exactly know what that is either, BUT !
T.M., a sensible guy. Tommy demonstrated a person can be a conscientious believer, without losing their head over it.
Shiftless2
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Maybe you should try the urban dictionary??
a) oh
b) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pony play
I would have been OK w/ not knowing this.
Imagine the night mares I'll get because of this bible study. grudabalackpersplush !
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"Stephen Colbert is a pathetic trainwreck...with no talent...running on hatred and fumes -- a dead man walking! CBS should 'put him to sleep,' NOW. It is the humanitarian thing to do!" ~ Trump
NBC, home to “The Tonight Show,” hosted by Fallon, recently moved from five new episodes a week to four — a sign of the not-so-great times.
“Late night TV is just not that relevant in today’s television world,” said Jeffrey McCall, a professor specializing in media at DePauw University in Indiana.
‘Not that relevant’ late night TV shows fading to black as even Colbert’s leading ‘Late Show’ sees audience drop 32% | Fortune
NBC, home to "The Tonight Show," hosted by Jimmy Fallon, recently moved from five new episodes a week to four — a sign of the not-so-great times.
Commercial television continues to evolve.
Johnny Carson had 11 million viewers nightly, but the three network late night talk shows today combined have only 6 million.
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One news story today pointed out that Johnny Carson had 11 million viewers nightly, but the three network late night talk shows today combined have only 6 million. I say so what? That's no reason...
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Which component of the Carson formula is failing?
The intro. monologue / interview portion / performance pattern?
Or might it be the sponsorship model that is failing here?
PBS' government subsidies have been curtailed by the Trump administration.
This leaves funding the PBS operation to corporate and private donations.
Is it time regular Colbert viewers subscribe to the CBS The Late Show?
If so, is antenna on the roof, also called Over-The-Air (OTA) broadcast of The Late Show obsolete? Should the CBS / Colbert team,
or perhaps Colbert independently replace OTA The Late Show transmission model for a 3rd Millennium broadband Internet replacement?
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Or it might simply be that there are a lot more late night viewing options than was the case in Carson's day??
a) I'd be astounded if that's not a component of it. BUT !
b) If Colbert doesn't have 100% market share, neither do they. IF they're commercially viable, what has happened to this generations refined genre?
Personal anecdote:
1960
As a young child in early 60's NYC suburb our musical choices were WMCA-AM or WABC-AM.
The low-fi of AM didn't seem to matter much. We didn't know any better. And if we did, the radios we used were equally primitive.
Socially public school students chose one of these two radio stations, thereby becoming an insider.
The result, rock-n-roll radio listeners were both figuratively and literally on the same wavelength. It was a cultural context that united an otherwise more diverse population segment.
Then:
rock music went FM.
Audiophiles may rejoice. But sociologically it was the end of an era.
2026
Media as a cultural / sociological cohesion promoter has so diversified it may do more to differentiate than to associate.