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Rigby5 said:
Well it is obvious the mRNA can't possibly work because all real vaccines contain dead pathogens and the mRNA does not.
If the spike proteins that the mRNA causes our own cells to grow worked as a vaccine, then they would be grown in a lab and not in our own cells.
And if the mRNA worked, then it would have quickly ended the epidemic.
But it did not end the epidemic, and it not only went on for 2 more years, but increased infection rates and cause people to get covid 3 or 4 times.
That is the exact opposite of what a vaccine is supposed to do." R5 #3,020
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I used this search syntax: live vs dead vaccine @ https://www.startpage.com/sp/search
and got more hits than Babe Ruth.
There are two basic types of vaccines:
  1. Live, attenuated, and
  2. Inactivated.
https://www.cdc.gov/pinkbook/hcp/table-of-contents/chapter-1-principles-of-vaccination.html
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Understanding Six Types of Vaccine Technologies
https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/understanding_six_types_of_vaccine_technologies
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"Six" !

R5, I've seen / posted at sites where ideological harmony was heavily promoted.
Booorr
rrriinnnggg !

You have not persuaded me on:
Rigby5 said:
"... all real vaccines contain dead pathogens ..." R5 #3,020
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but it may help keep things interesting.

If these CDC & Pfizer disclosures do not persuade you, perhaps at least they'll raise enough doubt / curiosity in your mind to follow these leads.
 
sear said:
I used this search syntax: live vs dead vaccine @ https://www.startpage.com/sp/search
and got more hits than Babe Ruth.


"Six" !

R5, I've seen / posted at sites where ideological harmony was heavily promoted.
Booorr
rrriinnnggg !

You have not persuaded me on:

but it may help keep things interesting.

If these CDC & Pfizer disclosures do not persuade you, perhaps at least they'll raise enough doubt / curiosity in your mind to follow these leads.
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The difference between "inactivated" and "attenuated" is irrelevant.
The point is you render the pathogen harmless.
But you still use the pathogen because we do not know how the immune system is able to trigger and respond to a pathogen.

The claim by Pfizer and Moderna that they can pick their own aspect of the pathogen, and that will allow the immune system to identify and trigger, makes no sense.
The spike protein of covid is not unique.
It is identical to the singular spike protein our on exosomes use to enter our cells by getting ACE2 receptors to open for them.
They surmise that no virus could have evolved the correct spike protein that ACE2 receptors would respond to, so they believe covid actually is our own exosomes that mutated and went rogue.
So if the immune system could be made to trigger and target on spike proteins, we would die because our own exosomes would be attacked.

But obviously the immune system can not be trained to trigger on spike proteins, and the mRNA never created any immunity to covid at all, in any way.
 
Shiftless2 said:
So where are the peer reviewed studies?

That said, Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98075

That said, he's been busy spreading misinformation

www.nytimes.com

The Latest Covid Misinformation Star Says He Invented the Vaccines (Published 2022)

Dr. Robert Malone says he helped invent mRNA vaccines and has been wronged for decades. Now he’s spreading unfounded claims about the vaccines and the virus.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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The links are totally and completely wrong.
Dr Robert Malone did invent mRNA technology and their use in vaccines.
{...
Bio – Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of the nine original mRNA vaccine patents, which were originally filed in 1989 (including both the idea of mRNA vaccines and the original proof of principle experiments) and RNA transfection. Dr. Malone, has close to 100 peer-reviewed publications which have been cited over 12,000 times. Since January 2020, Dr. Malone has been leading a large team focused on clinical research design, drug development, computer modeling and mechanisms of action of repurposed drugs for the treatment of COVID-19.
...}

The work 20 years later by others in the links provided are totally fake, do not work, and are nothing by theft and fraud.

Read this:
brownstone.org

The Defenestration of Dr. Robert Malone

Dr. Malone isn’t a conspiracy theorist: He’s intimately familiar with the benefits and risks of vaccines. A proponent of informed consent.
brownstone.org brownstone.org

{...
In fact, Malone is the father of mRNA vaccines. He has served as an adjunct associate professor of biotechnology at Kennesaw State University, and he co-founded Atheric Pharmaceutical, a company that was contracted by the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in 2016.
...}
 
Surely you can do better than that. The "Brownstone Institute" is hardly the most credible source.

Overall, we rate the Brownstone Institute Right Biased based on editorial positions that favor a conservative-libertarian perspective. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a failed fact check and the promotion of misinformation regarding Covid-19.

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So we're still waiting for those peer reviewed references.
 
sear said:
a) I did not know that.
b) May make sense. But
for years I was a grumpy old nay-sayer about Wikipedia.
But it seems they actually apply journalistic standards, and so I've donated to them, a $few $hundred so far.

University students researching a paper can still review Wiki. But they've got to skip to original sources in the bibliography. Right?
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As the saying goes, Wiki is a great place to start your research but it's not the place to finish it. For that you've got to look at the sources AND decide if the Wiki summary actually summarizes what those papers say - and then they have to do more work.

Anyone can edit a Wiki article and nobody fact checks the posts or the edits. And some of the edits can be extremely funny - it's been corrected since but the Wiki article on a high school in the city I grew up in had been changed to say that the high performing graduates might qualify for a job at McDonald's while, if they were lucky, the rest might be able to find a job cleaning toilets.

Or you might look at this

 
Shiftless2 said:
Surely you can do better than that. The "Brownstone Institute" is hardly the most credible source.



So we're still waiting for those peer reviewed references.
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Whether or not one likes the particular slant of a source, it is without contest that Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA since he has 9 of the original patents.
Nor does the claim we could artificially select a pathogen trait for the immune system to target make any sense, because we do not know how immune systems detect pathogens.

The control the wealthy have over the media is obvious, since the media claims the mRNA worked, when obvious ALL the data actually shows it totally failed and killed far more people that if the mRNA had never been used.
 
Dr. Robert Malone did not invent mRNA or mRNA vaccines, and messenger RNA itself was discovered by scientists in the 1960s rather than invented. [1, 2]

Key Facts

  • Discovery of mRNA: Messenger RNA was first identified in the early 1960s by researchers including Sydney Brenner, Francis Crick, François Jacob, and Jacques Monod.
  • Dr. Malone’s Contribution: In the late 1980s, Dr. Robert Malone conducted early-stage research on transfecting RNA into cells using liposomes (fat droplets). While this was an early technical step in exploring how RNA could enter cells, his work did not solve the critical barriers of severe inflammation and instability that previously blocked safe clinical use.
  • The Nobel Prize Breakthrough: The foundational discoveries that made modern therapeutic mRNA vaccines possible were made by Dr. Katalin Karikó and Dr. Drew
 
Shiftless2 said:
As the saying goes, Wiki is a great place to start your research but it's not the place to finish it. For that you've got to look at the sources AND decide if the Wiki summary actually summarizes what those papers say - and then they have to do more work.

Anyone can edit a Wiki article and nobody fact checks the posts or the edits. And some of the edits can be extremely funny - it's been corrected since but the Wiki article on a high school in the city I grew up in had been changed to say that the high performing graduates might qualify for a job at McDonald's while, if they were lucky, the rest might be able to find a job cleaning toilets.

Or you might look at this

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That is an exaggeration.
Actually there is a two stage process to edit wiki.
You have to qualify to be able to edit anything, and it still stays in the preliminary layer until it gets approval from the committee.
 
Shiftless2 said:
Dr. Robert Malone did not invent mRNA or mRNA vaccines, and messenger RNA itself was discovered by scientists in the 1960s rather than invented. [1, 2]

Key Facts

  • Discovery of mRNA: Messenger RNA was first identified in the early 1960s by researchers including Sydney Brenner, Francis Crick, François Jacob, and Jacques Monod.
  • Dr. Malone’s Contribution: In the late 1980s, Dr. Robert Malone conducted early-stage research on transfecting RNA into cells using liposomes (fat droplets). While this was an early technical step in exploring how RNA could enter cells, his work did not solve the critical barriers of severe inflammation and instability that previously blocked safe clinical use.
  • The Nobel Prize Breakthrough: The foundational discoveries that made modern therapeutic mRNA vaccines possible were made by Dr. Katalin Karikó and Dr. Drew
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That is totally false.
The fact messenger RNA was discovered in the 1960s simply is how DNA is able to control anything at all.
It had nothing to do with artificially introducing our own RNA in order to fix problems with the DNA transcription.

Transferring RNA into actual cells in order to reprogram them is the entire point of all RNA programming, and is an amazing accomplishment.

There is no such thing as mRNA vaccines, and the work by Dr. Katalin Karikó and Dr. Drew is totally and completely fake.
We have no idea how or on what the immune system identifies, remembers, or can trigger on in order to create an immunity.
And not one mRNA vaccine has ever shown any value at all, in any way.
 
Shiftless2 said:
So tell us where you received your multiple PhD's in the field.
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The whole idea of an mRNA vaccine is just totally insane.
If you were able to and wanted to produce some aspect of a pathogen in order to initiate the immune system process, you would obviously do it in lab vats.
That is because you would harm and destroy the cells you reprogrammed in order to make that aspect.
You would never do it inside a live human body, because you would be bound to kill many people when the immune system got around to destroying any cells that had been reprogrammed.

And obviously the mRNA work by Pfizer and Moderna has killed or required amputations to thousands of people.
It is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.
It is not even FDA approved.
 
I repeat - tell us where you obtained your PhD (or should that be PhD's)

And obviously the mRNA work by Pfizer and Moderna has killed or required amputations to thousands of people.
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And again we're waiting for peer reviewed articles from legitimate medical and scientific journals confirming that.

It is not even FDA approved.
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So you're saying that the FDA didn't approve those vaccines? The ones that were issued to millions of people?
 
Shiftless2 said:
I repeat - tell us where you obtained your PhD (or should that be PhD's)


And again we're waiting for peer reviewed articles from legitimate medical and scientific journals confirming that.


So you're saying that the FDA didn't approve those vaccines? The ones that were issued to millions of people?
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As of today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has ONLY granted "emergency use authorization" (EUA) for updated mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
They have never passed normal FDA approval.

I don't have a PhD in cardiac science either, but still work on and am expert in pacemakers as well.
 
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