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[sear]

"We also give hundreds of flu vaccines when the maximum number of immunities the body can hold is about a dozen." R5 #2,997

"The number of pathogens has nothing to do with it." R5 #3,000

If in the omniverse there are only 10 pathogens, and Bruce living in this omniverse is healthy,
either he's naturally or artificially vaccinated, or
Bruce hasn't been exposed to all 10 pathogens.

The reality appears to be Earth is awash with pathogens, many of them capable of sickening a human.
This source says there are far more than "a dozen". https://www.dph.ncdhhs.gov/programs/epidemiology/communicable-disease/a-to-z

 

[Rigby5]

If in the omniverse there are only 10 pathogens, and Bruce living in this omniverse is healthy,
either he's naturally or artificially vaccinated, or
Bruce hasn't been exposed to all 10 pathogens.

The reality appears to be Earth is awash with pathogens, many of them capable of sickening a human.
This source says there are far more than "a dozen". https://www.dph.ncdhhs.gov/programs/epidemiology/communicable-disease/a-to-z

The number of pathogens that exist is not relevant.
The point is the immune system has a very limited capacity for carrying immunity information.
After you have about a dozen immunities, then every time you add an immunity, you are destroying other previous immunities.

We should all be very suspicious about what the FDA and others told us about immunities, since they told us the mRNA would make us immune to covid, and it clearly did not work to create any immunity at all.
And now they are switching all vaccines to the mRNA methodology, that does not work at all.

 

[sear]

"The number of pathogens that exist is not relevant." R5 #3,002

It refutes your claim. If humans can only be immune to a maximum of 12 pathogens, why are many, many, many more of us not sick?

"After you have about a dozen immunities, then every time you add an immunity, you are destroying other previous immunities." R5 #3,002

Can you quote a legitimate authority to corroborate this?
I'm only 72. I've never read anything to suggest a human body dozen immunity limit.

"the FDA and others told us ... the mRNA would make us immune to covid, and it clearly did not work to create any immunity at all." R5 #3,002

I urge you to post / quote the source of your information.

R5 point:

"they told us the mRNA would make us immune to covid, and it clearly did not work to create any immunity at all." R5 #3,002

NIH counterpoint:
Outside clinical trials, the first COVID‐19 vaccine was administered on 8 December 2020. Researchers aimed to quantify the global impact of the first year of COVID‐19 vaccination programmes using mathematical modelling to fit COVID‐19 transmission and vaccination to reported COVID‐19 mortality and all‐cause excess mortality in 185 countries and territories.1 They determined the number of lives lost if there had been no vaccines. Based on reported COVID‐19 deaths, vaccinations prevented an estimated 14.4 million deaths (95% credible interval [Crl] 13.7–15.9) from COVID‐19 in a year. However, if excess deaths were used, this estimate rose to 19.8 million (95% Crl 19.1–20.4) deaths prevented (Fig. 1), equating to a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19.8 million of 31.4 million) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/ bold emphasis sear's

 

[Shiftless2]

The number of pathogens that exist is not relevant.
The point is the immune system has a very limited capacity for carrying immunity information.
After you have about a dozen immunities, then every time you add an immunity, you are destroying other previous immunities.

We need a legitimate source for that. Something from a peer reviewed medical or scientific journal.

We should all be very suspicious about what the FDA and others told us about immunities, since they told us the mRNA would make us immune to covid, and it clearly did not work to create any immunity at all.

No vaccine is 100% effective and they made that very clear. But again we need a legitimate peer reviewed source for your claim that "it did not work to create any immunity at all"

And now they are switching all vaccines to the mRNA methodology, that does not work at all.

And again, a legitimate peer reviewed source for the latter part of that statement.

 

[Rigby5]

It refutes your claim. If humans can only be immune to a maximum of 12 pathogens, why are many, many, many more of us not sick?


Can you quote a legitimate authority to corroborate this?
I'm only 72. I've never read anything to suggest a human body dozen immunity limit.


I urge you to post / quote the source of your information.

R5 point:

NIH counterpoint:
Outside clinical trials, the first COVID‐19 vaccine was administered on 8 December 2020. Researchers aimed to quantify the global impact of the first year of COVID‐19 vaccination programmes using mathematical modelling to fit COVID‐19 transmission and vaccination to reported COVID‐19 mortality and all‐cause excess mortality in 185 countries and territories.1 They determined the number of lives lost if there had been no vaccines. Based on reported COVID‐19 deaths, vaccinations prevented an estimated 14.4 million deaths (95% credible interval [Crl] 13.7–15.9) from COVID‐19 in a year. However, if excess deaths were used, this estimate rose to 19.8 million (95% Crl 19.1–20.4) deaths prevented (Fig. 1), equating to a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19.8 million of 31.4 million) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/ bold emphasis sear's

I don't get your point because traditionally almost all humans have had at most 4 immunities from vaccinations.
Measles, mumps, chicken pox, and Polio.
Almost no one gets a vaccination for whooping Cough/Pertussis since the vaccine only lasts such a short time.

And until they started the bogus flu vaccines, the only other immunities people had, were only from recovery.

People do not get all these other pathogens because they are very uncommon and are mostly from animal crossovers.

There is not a single valid piece of data even remotely suggesting the mRNA vax prevented a single death.
And in fact, all covid death actually were not caused by covid, but by an over active immune response that caused pnemonia.
The actual cause of death was always pneumonia, not covid.
There was a slight increase in immune system response cause by the mRNA injection, but only for 2 weeks.
And in the long run, that increase in immune system response did more harm than good.

 

[Rigby5]

We need a legitimate source for that. Something from a peer reviewed medical or scientific journal.


No vaccine is 100% effective and they made that very clear. But again we need a legitimate peer reviewed source for your claim that "it did not work to create any immunity at all"


And again, a legitimate peer reviewed source for the latter part of that statement.

In fact, like everyone else who got the mRNA injection, I did not get covid until AFTER the mRNA injection, and got it twice.
Which means the mRNA injection prevented or eliminated natural immunity as well.

 

[Shiftless2]

In fact, like everyone else who got the mRNA injection, I did not get covid until AFTER the mRNA injection, and got it twice.
Which means the mRNA injection prevented or eliminated natural immunity as well.

I said a "legitimate source" - you know, something from a peer reviewed medical or scientific journal - not a personal anecdote.

 

[Rigby5]

I said a "legitimate source" - you know, something from a peer reviewed medical or scientific journal - not a personal anecdote.

Its obvious.
The mRNA was released in August of 2021.
And clearly it did not at all reduce the infection rate, and in fact appears to have increased it by allowing multiple re-infections.
The big push to vaccinate corresponds to the largest infection spike.

 

[Shiftless2]

I said a peer reviewed study - not a pic that basically claims that correlation equals causation.

 

[Rigby5]

I said a peer reviewed study - not a pic that basically claims that correlation equals causation.

Since both Pfizer and Moderna each made about $60 billion off mRNA fake vaccines, obviously no one can stand up to those kinds of profits.
But it should be clear from the graph, that the mandatory vaccination process greatly increased the incidence of covid infection, not reduce it.

And clearly the whole mRNA concept is ridiculous.
Sure the corona viruses have characteristic spike proteins, but the reason corona viruses have spike proteins is because they likely used to be exosomes at one time, and exosomes need to have a spike protein in order to get the ACE2 receptors in our cells to open for them.
Spike proteins can not be used by the immune system to identify a pathogen because then our immune system would attack our own exosomes, and we would die.

Dr. Robert Malone is the one who invented the whole mRNA process, and he is clear that mRNA can not be used as a vaccine.
All it can do is help people who have particular protein difficiencies.
Since any cell infected with mRNA is ensured to be killed by our own immune system, it is the single most dangerous procedure anyone has ever done to humans.

 

[Shiftless2]

So where are the peer reviewed studies?

That said, Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98075

That said, he's been busy spreading misinformation

The Latest Covid Misinformation Star Says He Invented the Vaccines (Published 2022)

Dr. Robert Malone says he helped invent mRNA vaccines and has been wronged for decades. Now he’s spreading unfounded claims about the vaccines and the virus.

www.nytimes.com

 

[sear]

"So where are the peer reviewed studies?" S2 #3,011

R5 has made his position fairly clear.
Not as clear (S2's counterpoint) what is the / an authoritative source?

Count me a skeptic.
There are scientific reasons for doubt.
Apart from that there are the mutually corroborating implausibilities of $Billions of $Dollars globally, AND
a planet-wide conspiracy to continue to proceed on basis of total fraud.

Unlikely.
Too many details, Polio, the Iron Lung, etc.

Ockham's Razor

- but -

"As the area of our knowledge grows, so too does the perimeter of our ignorance." Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson PhD

Even a scientist in the top 1% within a specialty, may as a practical matter accept on faith (belief without personally knowing the proof) other disciplines, metallurgy a common example.
If the metallurgists are wildly wrong, then the bio-engineers place their own lives at risk simply driving a metal car at highway speed.

 

[Shiftless2]

I stand by my statement - and as I pointed out the only source he cites is hardly credible.

 

[Rigby5]

So where are the peer reviewed studies?

That said, Malone didn't invent mRNA vaccines https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98075

That said, he's been busy spreading misinformation

The Latest Covid Misinformation Star Says He Invented the Vaccines (Published 2022)

Dr. Robert Malone says he helped invent mRNA vaccines and has been wronged for decades. Now he’s spreading unfounded claims about the vaccines and the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Obviously Dr Malone invented the mRNA technique, but there is absolutely no reason at all to even remotely consider mRNA as being capable of being used as a vaccine.
The ONLY thing mRNA can do is reprogram the ribosomes of our own cells in order to make them grow proteins.
But we have no idea how the immune system identifies pathogens, so there is zero reason to believe making our own cells grow proteins can do anything except deadly harm.

After 2 months, the mRNA had zero effects, so clearly created no immunity information.

 

[Rigby5]

R5 has made his position fairly clear.
Not as clear (S2's counterpoint) what is the / an authoritative source?

Count me a skeptic.
There are scientific reasons for doubt.
Apart from that there are the mutually corroborating implausibilities of $Billions of $Dollars globally, AND
a planet-wide conspiracy to continue to proceed on basis of total fraud.

Unlikely.
Too many details, Polio, the Iron Lung, etc.

Ockham's Razor

- but -

Even a scientist in the top 1% within a specialty, may as a practical matter accept on faith (belief without personally knowing the proof) other disciplines, metallurgy a common example.
If the metallurgists are wildly wrong, then the bio-engineers place their own lives at risk simply driving a metal car at highway speed.

Not a single other country has accepted the mRNA of Pfizer or Moderna.
All other countries used covid vaccines with real pathogens, and none of them accepts mRNA concoctions.

And the proof is obvious, that the covid infections greatly increased in spread after the use of the mRNA vaccines instead of decrease.

 

[sear]

"Not a single other country has accepted the mRNA of Pfizer or Moderna." #3,015

Recipients of mRNA technology from the WHO mRNA technology transfer hub

Country	mRNA technology recipient
Argentina	Sinergium Biotech
Brazil	Bio-Manguinhos
Egypt	BioGeneric Pharma S.A.E
Kenya	tbd*
Nigeria	Biovaccines Nigeria Limited
Senegal	Institut Pasteur de Dakar
Tunisia	Institut Pasteur de Tunis
Bangladesh	Incepta Vaccine Ltd
Indonesia	Biofarma
India	BiologicalE (Bio E)
Pakistan	National Institute of Health
Serbia	Institut Torlak
South Africa	Biovac
Ukraine	Darnitsa
Viet Nam	Polyvac

Recipients of mRNA technology from the WHO mRNA technology transfer hub

www.who.int

 

[Rigby5]

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Recipients of mRNA technology from the WHO mRNA technology transfer hub

Country	mRNA technology recipient
Argentina	Sinergium Biotech
Brazil	Bio-Manguinhos
Egypt	BioGeneric Pharma S.A.E
Kenya	tbd*
Nigeria	Biovaccines Nigeria Limited
Senegal	Institut Pasteur de Dakar
Tunisia	Institut Pasteur de Tunis
Bangladesh	Incepta Vaccine Ltd
Indonesia	Biofarma
India	BiologicalE (Bio E)
Pakistan	National Institute of Health
Serbia	Institut Torlak
South Africa	Biovac
Ukraine	Darnitsa
Viet Nam	Polyvac

Recipients of mRNA technology from the WHO mRNA technology transfer hub

www.who.int

You misunderstand.
The point of mRNA is to cure protein deficiencies.
It is only Moderna and Pfizer who claim mRNA can be used for vaccines.
And all those countries listed did NOT use mRNA for covid.

Here is an example of what India used for covid:
{...
India initially approved the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine (manufactured under license by Serum Institute of India under the trade name Covishield) and Covaxin (a vaccine developed locally by Bharat Biotech). They have since been joined by the Sputnik V (manufactured under license by Dr. Reddy's Laboratories, with additional production from Serum Institute of India being started in September[6][7]), Moderna vaccines, Johnson & Johnson vaccine and ZyCoV-D (a vaccine locally developed by Zydus Cadila)[a]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_India#cite_note-9 and other vaccine candidates undergoing local clinical trials.
...}

COVID-19 vaccination in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Moderna mRNA was "undergoing local clinical trials", but was never actually accepted.

 

[Shiftless2]

You misunderstand.
The point of mRNA is to cure protein deficiencies.
It is only Moderna and Pfizer who claim mRNA can be used for vaccines.
And all those countries listed did NOT use mRNA for covid.

Here is an example of what India used for covid:
{...
India initially approved the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine (manufactured under license by Serum Institute of India under the trade name Covishield) and Covaxin (a vaccine developed locally by Bharat Biotech). They have since been joined by the Sputnik V (manufactured under license by Dr. Reddy's Laboratories, with additional production from Serum Institute of India being started in September[6][7]), Moderna vaccines, Johnson & Johnson vaccine and ZyCoV-D (a vaccine locally developed by Zydus Cadila)[a]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_India#cite_note-9 and other vaccine candidates undergoing local clinical trials.
...}

COVID-19 vaccination in India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the Moderna mRNA was "undergoing local clinical trials", but was never actually accepted.

So give us a legitimate peer reviewed source proving that mRNA vaccines don't work. (Wiki doesn't count - university students get marked down if they include that as a reference)

 

[sear]

"(Wiki doesn't count - university students get marked down if they include that as a reference)" S2 #3,018

a) I did not know that.
b) May make sense. But
for years I was a grumpy old nay-sayer about Wikipedia.
But it seems they actually apply journalistic standards, and so I've donated to them, a $few $hundred so far.

University students researching a paper can still review Wiki. But they've got to skip to original sources in the bibliography. Right?