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R5 #199

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Not sure it's counterintuitive:
we may not be able to predict which individuals within a large population will succumb. BUT !!

Applying well known epidemiological analysis of populations we can fairly accurately calculate such things.

Not sure what to make of the notion that we can calculate such stats accurately, but be wildly wrong about the contagion and or its medications.

Ockham's Razor

 

[Rigby5]

What is obvious is that they DID NOT fail.

What do you mean?
The mRNA shots did not prevent any infection, and in fact those who took the mRNA shots got covid multiple times on average.
Which means the mRNA not only provided zero immunity, but somehow removed the natural recovery immunity people who did not take the shot had.
Covid did not stop until way over the 72% infection rate that was predicted to stop it through herd immunity.
So then clearly the mRNA did not at all reduce the epidemic duration.

 

[Shiftless2]

You keep making those claims with no backup.

No vaccine is 100% effective but fewer vaccinated people contracted COVID than unvaccinated. As for those vaccinated individuals who did become ill it was generally less severe than for those who weren't vaccinated.

But back to my question in #198 (and don't duck the question) - which of the articles you've linked concludes that mRNA vaccines don't work?

 

[Rigby5]

You keep making those claims with no backup.

No vaccine is 100% effective but fewer vaccinated people contracted COVID than unvaccinated. As for those vaccinated individuals who did become ill it was generally less severe than for those who weren't vaccinated.

But back to my question in #198 (and don't duck the question) - which of the articles you've linked concludes that mRNA vaccines don't work?

Not true.
The infection rate remained identical, regardless of mRNA injection, after 2 months.
The only advantage of the mRNA injection is that since it caused our own cells to mutate, start growing spike proteins, and needing to be destroyed by our own immune system, that temporarily for 2 months the mRNA injection did stimulate the production of cytokines by the immune system.

The fact the mRNA injections stimulated the immune system for 2 months, is not a plus since that is countered by the additional side effects from the mRNA, such as heart attacks, embolisms, blood clots, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

You keep making those claims with no backup.

No vaccine is 100% effective but fewer vaccinated people contracted COVID than unvaccinated. As for those vaccinated individuals who did become ill it was generally less severe than for those who weren't vaccinated.

But back to my question in #198 (and don't duck the question) - which of the articles you've linked concludes that mRNA vaccines don't work?

All articles admit that covid infection rates remained high after mRNA vaccinations.
In fact, I only got covid 3 times AFTER vaccination.

 

[Rigby5]

Not sure it's counterintuitive:
we may not be able to predict which individuals within a large population will succumb. BUT !!

Applying well known epidemiological analysis of populations we can fairly accurately calculate such things.

Not sure what to make of the notion that we can calculate such stats accurately, but be wildly wrong about the contagion and or its medications.

Ockham's Razor

There is a fairly obvious reason why evaluations are weak.
Since the mRNA shot caused some of our own cells to mutate, start growing spike proteins, and needing to be destroyed by our own immune system, the mRNA shot did for 2 months stimulate our immune system into high activity.

But the fact the mRNA conveyed no immunity is obvious since people who got the mRNA shot had increased infection rates.
For example, after the mRNA shots, I got covid 3 times.
That should not be possible if the shots caused any immunity at all.

 

[Shiftless2]

You keep making nosensical claims about mRNA without providing any support - if anything you said is true you'll have no difficulty providing numerous peer reviewed studies that reach the same conclusions.

And if you don't we'll have to take that as an admission that you're just pulling things out of your nether regions.

 

[Rigby5]

You keep making nosensical claims about mRNA without providing any support - if anything you said is true you'll have no difficulty providing numerous peer reviewed studies that reach the same conclusions.

And if you don't we'll have to take that as an admission that you're just pulling things out of your nether regions.

First of all, the $60 billion both Moderna and Pfizer made is a reason to be suspicious of what is published by the media.
Second is that no other country has ever tried mRNA, and it is not approved by the FDA except in the emergency use for covid.
Third is that harmful and deadly side effects of mRNA are well published.
{...
A total of 81 articles analyzed confirmed cardiovascular complications post‐COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines in 17,636 individuals and reported 284 deaths with any mRNA vaccine. Of 17,636 cardiovascular events with any mRNA vaccine, 17,192 were observed with the BNT162b2 (Pfizer−BioNTech) vaccine, 444 events with mRNA‐1273 (Moderna). Thrombosis was frequently reported with any mRNA vaccine (n = 13,936), followed by stroke (n = 758), myocarditis (n = 511), myocardial infarction (n = 377), pulmonary embolism (n = 301), and arrhythmia (n = 254). Stratifying the results by vaccine type showed that thrombosis (80.8%) was common in the BNT162b2 cohort, while stroke (39.9%) was common with mRNA‐1273 for any dose. The time between the vaccination dosage and the first symptom onset averaged 5.6 and 4.8 days with the mRNA‐1273 vaccine and BNT162b2, respectively. The mRNA‐1273 cohort reported 56 deaths compared to the 228 with BNT162b2, while the rest were discharged or transferred to the ICU.
...}

Adverse events following COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines: A systematic review of cardiovascular complication, thrombosis, and thrombocytopenia - PMC

Since publishing successful clinical trial results of mRNA coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) vaccines in December 2020, multiple reports have arisen about cardiovascular complications following the mRNA vaccination. This study provides an in‐depth ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Quite simply, why would anyone cause our own cells to start growing spike proteins, when it would be much safer to grow cells with spike proteins in lab vats?
Its obviously the most insane thing I have ever heard of.

 

[Shiftless2]

According to that article there were 17,636 adverse events following vaccinations. And 255.838,817 Americans have been vaccinated. That means that approximately 0.007% of vaccinated individuals had an adverse reaction. That small a percentage being adversely affected is pretty impressive.

Never the less, you still haven't answered my question - since you're so adamant the vaccine didn't work provide us with all those peer reviewed articles in legitimate journals that says it didn't work.