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[Rigby5]

So you'll have no difficult providing links to published papers in legitimate peer reviewed journals.

We'll wait.

By the way, here is an explanation of how covid killed by triggering the cytokine storm, autoimmune response.
Which means our own immune system causes covid deaths.

{...
Accumulating evidence suggests that the severity of COVID-19 is associated with an increased level of inflammatory mediators including cytokines and chemokines such as interleukin (IL)-2, IL-7, IL-10, tumor necrosis factor (TNF), granulocyte colony-stimulating factor (G-CSF), monocyte chemoattractant protein-1 (MCP1; also known as CCL2), macrophage inflammatory protein 1 alpha (MIP1α; also known as CCL3), CXC-chemokine ligand 10 (CXCL10), C-reactive protein, ferritin, and D-dimers in blood upon SARS-CoV-2 infection [2–10]. Of note, among the elevated inflammatory mediators, the blood IL-6 level is highly correlated with the disease mortality when COVID-19 survivors and non-survivors are compared [1, 11], suggesting that fatal COVID-19 is characterized as a cytokine release syndrome (CRS) that is induced by a cytokine storm with high mortality [12–14]. Thus, IL-6 serves as a possible mechanism of treatment for severe COVID-19 patients, raising the possibility that one therapeutic option for the disease may be targeting excessive inflammation caused by IL-6 receptor (IL-6R) signaling with monoclonal antibody therapy or treatment with chemical modulators to block the signaling cascade while maintaining a sufficient antiviral primary immune response. In this regard, the use of two clinically approved IL-6R antagonists, tocilizumab (TCZ) and sarilumab (SAR), which are currently used for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, could be expected to play a crucial part in the treatment for severely ill patients. With this in mind, here we discuss the potential pathogenetic mechanisms and therapeutic options for COVID-19, focusing on IL-6-signal transducer and activator of transcription 3 (STAT3) signaling.
...}

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131

Cytokines, chemokines, and phages are antibodies produced by the immune system.

 

[Shiftless2]

So you admit that you can't support your claims with legitimate peer reviewed articles. Nice to know.

 

[Rigby5]

So you admit that you can't support your claims with legitimate peer reviewed articles. Nice to know.

No, I just said I accumulated the fact over time, so it would not now be worth it to try to dig up all the old references right now.
Nor is there a reason.
You have not expressed a particular statement you disagree with.

 

[Shiftless2]

No, I just said I accumulated the fact over time, so it would not now be worth it to try to dig up all the old references right now.

Sorry mate but since much (most?) of what you've said about COVID and vaccines is contradicted by the medical profession so I'm not willing to take your unsupported word.

You have not expressed a particular statement you disagree with.

Pretty much everything you've said about COVID and vaccines.

 

[Rigby5]

Sorry mate but since much (most?) of what you've said about COVID and vaccines is contradicted by the medical profession so I'm not willing to take your unsupported word.


Pretty much everything you've said about COVID and vaccines.

Its not that complicated.
A vaccine traditionally is an actual pathogen that has been killed or otherwise made harmless.
Since we do not know how the immune system identifies a pathogen and stores its identity information, there is no way to create a synthetic vaccine like with mRMA.
The mRNA causes our own cells to grow spike proteins similar to the ones covid has on its outer membrane, but the point of these spike proteins are to get ACE2 receptors on our cells to open for them.
But the reason these ACE2 receptors exist and open for spike proteins, is that our own exosomes have to open them with its own singular spike protein.
So since the whole point of covid spike proteins is to mimic our own exosomes, I see no way for spike proteins to be used as an epitope, to identify a pathogen.
Covid spike proteins and our exosome spike proteins have to be pretty much identical in order for them to both open our ACE2 receptors.
So if you could get the immune system to trigger on and attack anything with spike proteins, then our immune system would attack our own exosomes and we would die.

 

[Shiftless2]

Its not that complicated.
A vaccine traditionally is an actual pathogen that has been killed or otherwise made harmless.
Since we do not know how the immune system identifies a pathogen and stores its identity information, there is no way to create a synthetic vaccine like with mRMA.
The mRNA causes our own cells to grow spike proteins similar to the ones covid has on its outer membrane, but the point of these spike proteins are to get ACE2 receptors on our cells to open for them.
But the reason these ACE2 receptors exist and open for spike proteins, is that our own exosomes have to open them with its own singular spike protein.
So since the whole point of covid spike proteins is to mimic our own exosomes, I see no way for spike proteins to be used as an epitope, to identify a pathogen.
Covid spike proteins and our exosome spike proteins have to be pretty much identical in order for them to both open our ACE2 receptors.
So if you could get the immune system to trigger on and attack anything with spike proteins, then our immune system would attack our own exosomes and we would die.

Provide some peer reviewed articles published in legitimate peer reviewed journals. Otherwise we have to assume that you're getting your information from the same places that RFK Jr gets his. And since his source is a heroin addicted brain worm ....

 

[Rigby5]

Provide some peer reviewed articles published in legitimate peer reviewed journals. Otherwise we have to assume that you're getting your information from the same places that RFK Jr gets his. And since his source is a heroin addicted brain worm ....

Easily done, but finding one that is easy to understand would take more time.

Understanding the role of ACE-2 receptor in pathogenesis of COVID-19 disease: a potential approach for therapeutic intervention - PMC

Angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) and its homologue, ACE2, are commonly allied with hypertension, renin–angiotensin–aldosterone system pathway, and other cardiovascular system disorders. The recent pandemic of COVID-19 has attracted the attention ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The point is corona virus are mimicking exosomes so they can trick the human cells into letting them in.
That seems nearly impossible, so lots of people think corona viruses actually are just mutated exosomes.

And attempts to get the immune system to attack corona viruses based on spike proteins, risks getting the immune system to attack our own exsomes.

 

[sear]

US commander says Russia and China's Arctic patrols are 'not for peaceful purposes'​

Gen. Grynkewich says the nations are conducting joint patrols north of Alaska and near Canada for strategic purposes​

By Morgan Phillips Fox News Published January 13, 2026 1:00pm EST

Russia and China are expanding their presence in the Arctic for strategic — not scientific — reasons, according to a senior U.S. commander.
"It’s not for peaceful reasons," said Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, the supreme allied commander Europe, at a conference in Sweden Sunday.
"They’re not studying the seals and the polar bears," he went on. "They’re out there doing bathymetric surveys and trying to figure out how they can counter NATO capabilities on and under the sea. So that’s something that could grow very quickly, and we need to be mindful of it and ready for it."
A bathymetric survey refers to the mapping of the ocean floor, using sonar and other sensors to measure underwater depth and terrain. The surveys can support submarine navigation, identifying underwater chokepoints, and map routes for undersea cables or sensors.

US commander says Russia and China's Arctic patrols are 'not for peaceful purposes'

Russia and China allegedly expanding Arctic presence for military reasons, conducting joint patrols near Alaska and Canada, top NATO commander warns.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rigby5]

US commander says Russia and China's Arctic patrols are 'not for peaceful purposes'​

Gen. Grynkewich says the nations are conducting joint patrols north of Alaska and near Canada for strategic purposes​

By Morgan Phillips Fox News Published January 13, 2026 1:00pm EST

Russia and China are expanding their presence in the Arctic for strategic — not scientific — reasons, according to a senior U.S. commander.
"It’s not for peaceful reasons," said Gen. Alexus Grynkewich, the supreme allied commander Europe, at a conference in Sweden Sunday.
"They’re not studying the seals and the polar bears," he went on. "They’re out there doing bathymetric surveys and trying to figure out how they can counter NATO capabilities on and under the sea. So that’s something that could grow very quickly, and we need to be mindful of it and ready for it."
A bathymetric survey refers to the mapping of the ocean floor, using sonar and other sensors to measure underwater depth and terrain. The surveys can support submarine navigation, identifying underwater chokepoints, and map routes for undersea cables or sensors.

US commander says Russia and China's Arctic patrols are 'not for peaceful purposes'

Russia and China allegedly expanding Arctic presence for military reasons, conducting joint patrols near Alaska and Canada, top NATO commander warns.

www.foxnews.com

But how is mapping the currents and ocean floor even remotely related to any militaristic purpose as Gen Grynkewich is claiming?
We have no subs up there, so how does that help them "counter NATO capabilities"?
North of Alaska is the Northwest Passage, which is more and more enticing as global warming causes it to be open longer and longer each year.

 

[sear]

As you may know R5, Russia is pushing limits not only in Ukraine.
Russia has been invading sovereign NATO airspace, & testing limits elsewhere.

R5 #149

Noem announces Arctic defense pact with Canada, Finland to counter rival powers​

Noem says partnership will strengthen collective Arctic defense as Chinese vessels operate near US waters​

By Stephen Sorace Fox News Published November 18, 2025 2:00pm EST
Noem said soon after the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Storis, a polar icebreaker, was commissioned earlier this year, Chinese ships began to openly operate in and near U.S. Arctic waters.
"Their goal was clear. They wanted to test America's resolve," Noem said of China. "The Coast Guard responded immediately. In fact, we deployed the Cutter Healy and a fleet of air assets to the scene, and we escorted those intruders out of our waters. Our rapid response sent a clear message: Under President Trump's leadership, we will defend our sovereignty."

Noem announces Arctic defense pact with Canada, Finland to counter rival powers

U.S. partners with Canada and Finland to build Arctic icebreakers amid growing China threat. New ICE Pact aims to strengthen collective defense in contested region.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rigby5]

As you may know R5, Russia is pushing limits not only in Ukraine.
Russia has been invading sovereign NATO airspace, & testing limits elsewhere.

Noem announces Arctic defense pact with Canada, Finland to counter rival powers​

Noem says partnership will strengthen collective Arctic defense as Chinese vessels operate near US waters​

By Stephen Sorace Fox News Published November 18, 2025 2:00pm EST
Noem said soon after the U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Storis, a polar icebreaker, was commissioned earlier this year, Chinese ships began to openly operate in and near U.S. Arctic waters.
"Their goal was clear. They wanted to test America's resolve," Noem said of China. "The Coast Guard responded immediately. In fact, we deployed the Cutter Healy and a fleet of air assets to the scene, and we escorted those intruders out of our waters. Our rapid response sent a clear message: Under President Trump's leadership, we will defend our sovereignty."

Noem announces Arctic defense pact with Canada, Finland to counter rival powers

U.S. partners with Canada and Finland to build Arctic icebreakers amid growing China threat. New ICE Pact aims to strengthen collective defense in contested region.

www.foxnews.com

I disagree because the Ukraine as always been a very significant part of Russia, and that only changed after Hunter Biden bribed the ethnic Polish generals into the Maidan Coup in 2014.
And what we did was illegal, such as encouraging the Azov Battalion to murder over 30k ethnic Russian, unarmed civilians, try to block Russian use of Sevastopol, encourage the attempt by the Ukraine to join NATO, which obviously is an "alliance hostile to Russia", and therefore specifically forbidden by treaty.

And even stranger is the fact I remember reading a science fiction book about a future where the US, Russia, and China were all using submarines for conflicting oil exploitation in the Arctic.
But that was over 60 years ago, and I do not remember the author or title. I tried looking up C. S. Forester and Robert Heinlein, but they do not seem to be the authors?
But the Arctic does not belong to the US.

 

[sear]

"I disagree because the Ukraine as always been a very significant part of Russia, and ..." R5 #151

And so Putin / Russia sought to achieve justice with injustice? To make things right by doing wrong?

" the Arctic does not belong to the US." R5 #151

And thus it would be inappropriate for the U.S. to plant the flag there.

My understanding is not that the U.S. claims sovereignty of the Arctic, but that it's trying to maintain the status quo which is both peaceful and viable.

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A severe complicating factor is the Trump administration.
Before Trump the U.S. had a history of leaving Europe to the Europeans.

"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." U.S. Secretary Colin Powell

Now we have a president that dismisses such noble traditions, and Panama, Greenland, and Canada are now on Trump's hit list.

 

[Rigby5]

And so Putin / Russia sought to achieve justice with injustice? To make things right by doing wrong?


And thus it would be inappropriate for the U.S. to plant the flag there.

My understanding is not that the U.S. claims sovereignty of the Arctic, but that it's trying to maintain the status quo which is both peaceful and viable.

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A severe complicating factor is the Trump administration.
Before Trump the U.S. had a history of leaving Europe to the Europeans.

"Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return." U.S. Secretary Colin Powell

Now we have a president that dismisses such noble traditions, and Panama, Greenland, and Canada are now on Trump's hit list.

The peaceful status quo was the Ukraine being a Russian ally.
Which they were from their independence in 1991, until the Maiden Coup in 2014.
It was the US that disturbed that peace and justice by sending in Hunter Biden with billions in bribes for the ethnic Polish generals in the Ukraine.
It was not until the ethnic Polish generals in the Ukraine deliberately committed acts of war, with treaty violations, that justice had to be restored by force.

Its not that complex.
The ethnic Russian Ukrainians have always been multicultural and can get along with anyone, including the ethnic Polish, Tatars, Mongols, Cossacks, etc.
The ethnic Polish Ukrainians have never been able to get along with anyone else, and are incredibly racists and violent.
So who can be allowed to run the show in the Ukraine?
The ethnic Polish never ran the Ukraine until 2014, and they showed they were totally incapable of doing that, by murdering over 30k ethnic Russian Ukrainian natives as soon as they got the chance.

With the Arctic, what is so disturbing is that the conflict over Arctic oil is likely to use up more oil than it could produce?