Anthropogenic Global Warming ... how hot is it ?

"The tension is between climate change and human nature" ... "I'd love to wish the tension away, but I can't." Paul #299
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"and puts the nation's truly cataclysmic events — those that erase entire communities in a blink — in a category all their own." Kevin #300
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"Cataclysmic" it is for those communities built with designs fundamentally inadequate for their locations.
Defending your histrionic rhetoric on basis of ambiguity undermines your credibility, and dis-serves your ostensible cause.

"Another question that has loomed large: As the region tries to move forward, will politics get in the way?" Kevin #300
Indeed.
Politicians can help.
Politicians can hinder.
In this case as in so many others, they'll do both. And each will earn votes for it.
Welcome to politics.
 
This evenings CBS News addressed this building codes issue:

250116CBS01b.JPG "This home in Los Angeles, the only one still standing in this neighborhood follows similar building principles." But:

250116CBS01a.JPG It $costs more. *
source: CBS Evening News with Norah O'Donnell

By Microsoft Win10's math a $quarter $million dollar home + $7% adds ~$18 $thousand to the cost of the home.
With a 25 year mortgage the increase in monthly payment is little more than pocket change.
If that's out of reach for a prospective home owner then they can find a nice comfy apartment.

... and BTW -

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ABC WNT reports this home survived the fire, but succumbed to a landslide from water dumped on the fire.

We needn't scurry out and invent geology. Been there, done that.
Unstable terrain simply isn't viable for such architecture, and should not be permitted.

Before I built my home, the prospective building site needed to pass a "perc test" before the building permit was issued.

This is all Trump-scale silliness. It all results, is the direct consequence of ignoring the obvious, the inevitable, and then crying disaster when it occurs.

Sober up left coast. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you don't want your house to burn down don't build it out of fire wood.
 
Speaking of where people should and should not build it's not just fire that's a potential issue -

US Flood Zones Unintentionally Drive Development in Flood-Prone Areas

U.S. flood management efforts are inadvertently driving development into vulnerable areas just outside regulatory flood zones, thereby increasing the nation’s exposure to flood risks, according to a new study. This trend, coupled with climate-driven intensification of flooding events, poses significant challenges for local governments, insurers, and emergency management agencies.

An analysis of development patterns across 2,330 U.S. counties has revealed that nearly 24% of all developed land is concentrated within 250 meters of designated 100-year floodplains. This concentration of infrastructure and population in areas adjacent to high-risk zones raises serious questions about the effectiveness of current flood management strategies, according to the study’s authors from North Carolina State University’s Center for Geospatial Analysis.

The pattern of development clustering near floodplain boundaries reflects a delicate balance between the desire for proximity to water bodies and the avoidance of officially designated high-risk areas. While properties within the 100-year floodplain are subject to stricter building requirements and mandatory flood insurance, those just beyond the boundary often escape such regulations. This creates a false sense of security for residents and businesses in these adjacent areas, potentially leaving them unprepared for flood events that exceed official risk designations.

The implications of this development trend extend beyond individual property risks. As climate change intensifies the ....

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It's important to note that this is just the insured losses - total losses will be much higher.

And while the article points out that earlier estimates were $10-$15 billion my suspicion is that CoreLogic's estimate will still prove to be low

LA wildfires: CoreLogic initial insured loss estimate is $35bn to $45bn

CoreLogic, the risk modelling and catastrophe data company, has provided an initial estimate for insured losses from the Los Angeles, California wildfires, saying the total is expected to fall in a range from $35 billion to as high as $45 billion.

CoreLogic noted that both of the main wildfires that are burning remained only less than 50% contained as of Thursday afternoon, meaning the final insurance and reinsurance market loss estimates may differ.

In a recent update this afternoon, the California fire authorities said the Palisades fire remains only 22% contained, while the Eaton fire is now 55% contained.

The risk modelling and catastrophe data specialist company said a final insured loss estimate will be provided once the wildfires have been fully contained.

CoreLogic is the first catastrophe risk modeller to issue a public estimate for the potential insurance and reinsurance market financial exposure to the still burning wildfires in California.

The estimate for insurance market losses of between $35 billion and $45 billion is based on CoreLogic’s analysis across residential and commercial exposures for the Eaton and Palisades Fires in Los Angeles, California.

The company explained, “This analysis of insured damage for both residential and commercial properties accounts for both fire and smoke damage as well as demand surge, debris removal, clean up and Additional Living Expenses (ALE). The majority of losses are to ....

 
Speaking of where people should and should not build it's not just fire that's a potential issue -
- amen -

US Flood Zones Unintentionally Drive Development in Flood-Prone Areas

An analysis of development patterns across 2,330 U.S. counties has revealed that nearly 24% of all developed land is concentrated within 250 meters of designated 100-year floodplains. #303

Government has infantilized us. Instead of providing incentive for us to be more self-reliant, government intrudes ever deeper in citizen's lives. That shouldn't happen.
caveat emptor
"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." Thomas Jefferson

BUT !!
Now that it has intruded, substituted government control for self-control, the least it could do is get it right.

Even some cities in Texas sent firefighters ...
"Who is the enemy of the people?" #305
sear may seem parsimonious with sympathy in this case (& others?).
I hope CitizenVoice it more than a venue for sympathy.

My interest is in pragmatism, in policy, in improvement. "Ain't it awful" doesn't solve the problem.

"Who exactly loves America?" #305
“Patriotism is the belief your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.” George Bernard Shaw
I'll settle for humanitarianism. But simple pragmatism requires those that benefit from government expenditure of tax revenue should be the tax payers.
 
Interesting vid showing how global temperatures have changed #307
Is that a "tornado graph"?

Anyway, no need to worry about all that. Trump's on it. "Drill baby drill!"
That should solve the problem, because as we know facts cease to exist because they are ignored. Right Aldous?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored ~ Aldous Huxley
 
Anyway, no need to worry about all that. Trump's on it.
Last time around scientists were desperately backing up the climate data on various government websites to other sites where Trump couldn't have it erased. Hope they're doing as much this time around.

That should solve the problem, because as we know facts cease to exist because they are ignored. Right Aldous?

Hey, during the height of the COVID crisis Trump said that the infection rate wouldn't look so bad if the US tested less.
 
"Oh woe is everything!" Grace06
"Last time around scientists were desperately backing up the climate data on various government websites to other sites where Trump couldn't have it erased. Hope they're doing as much this time around." S2 #309

“He who controls the past controls the future.
And he who controls the present controls the past.” paraphrase of Orwell, according to George Will

Not as much of a tangent as it at first may seem:
There are two reasons for computer storage:
- capacity
- redundancy
Irreplaceable data humanity's survival may require should never be left vulnerable to either random failure or deliberate sabotage.
Problem is while such scientists may be tops in their scientific field, they may not simultaneously be competent computer security specialists. Thus:

"Last time around scientists were desperately backing up the climate data on various government websites to other sites where Trump couldn't have it erased. Hope they're doing as much this time around." S2 #309
(y)

"Hey, during the height of the COVID crisis Trump said that the infection rate wouldn't look so bad if the US tested less." S2
"A broken clock is right twice a day."

Reminds me of a poem Paul Harvey read on air a few decades ago. A weak paraphrase follows:

- The carpet looks fine, no need to vacuum.
- The living room displays gleam, no need to dust them.
- The curtains seem fine, no need to launder them.
- By gosh, I'm never going to wear my eye glasses again!

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Oh!
A blindfold. A Trump administration essential? Things don't look so bad, to the blind. AND (savor the irony)
mirrors the blind ignorance of Trump himself. "If you can't beat 'im, join 'im"?
 
I've seen a number of people on other boards claim that the current frigid temperatures prove that global warming does not exist. They're wrong.

How frigid polar vortex blasts are connected to global warming


A record-breaking cold wave is sending literal shivers down the spines of millions of Americans. Temperatures across the upper Midwest are forecast to fall an astonishing 50 degrees Fahrenheit (28 degrees Celsius) below normal this week – as low as 35 degrees below zero. Pile a gusty wind on top, and the air will feel like -60 F.

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Predicted near-surface air temperatures (F) for Wednesday morning, Jan. 30, 2019. Forecast by NOAA’s Global Forecast System model.

This cold is nothing to sneeze at. The National Weather Service is warning of brutal, life-threatening conditions. Frostbite will strike fast on any exposed skin. At the same time, the North Pole is facing a heat wave with temperatures approaching the freezing point – about 25 degrees Fahrenheit (14 C) above normal.



Predicted near-surface air temperature differences (C) from normal, relative to 1981-2010.

What is causing this topsy-turvy pattern? You guessed it: the polar vortex.

In the past several years, thanks to previous cold waves, the polar vortex has become entrenched in our everyday vocabulary and served as a butt of jokes for .....

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"I've seen a number of people on other boards claim that the current frigid temperatures prove that global warming does not exist. They're wrong." S2 #311
Indeed.
"Weather" and "climate" are not synonyms.
There's no puzzle here, it's obvious.

"I've seen a number of people on other boards claim that the current frigid temperatures prove that global warming does not exist. They're wrong." S2 #311

Do you suppose they're actually fooling themselves? Or frantically grasping for a fig-leaf to bolster their own untenable position?

note:
Generally, and I suspect in this case, a strong Winter cold-snap in North America is accompanied by a corresponding warm period of corresponding duration on the opposite side of the planet.
Why?
Simply, the dome of frigid polar air occasionally slips Southward in longitudinal vector.
Instead of creating an enormous vacuum, warm air from further South flows in to replace the frigid polar air dome, which in this case has slid down to the "Gulf of America".

Anthropogenic global warming isn't about local conditions. It's about planetary averages, trending ominously upward. [see #307]
 
KTLA articles

Homeowners in Palisades Fire burn area angered by bank’s decision​

Marc Sternfield / Thu, January 23, 2025 at 8:05 PM EST
LOS ANGELES (KTLA) – With the devastating Palisades Fire still smoldering, Lisa Pelton and some of her neighbors in Mandeville Canyon received an unpleasant notice from their bank: their home equity lines of credit were being slashed.
“I was appalled,” Pelton told KTLA 5 News on Thursday. “I thought it was unconscionable what they did. They sent this letter out four days after the fire started to everyone in a certain ZIP code.”
City National Bank informed Pelton that it was abruptly cutting her HELOC, which allows homeowners to borrow against their available equity, by $50,000 even though her property was untouched by the 23,000-acre fire.

I can easily understand the former HELOC account holders disliking this outcome. BUT !
This does not appear to be a personal insult, but instead a practical business decision.
Home owners that wish to restore their HELOC may wish to apply for insurance to cover the $equity at issue. BUT !

In light of information on California insurance disclosed previously in this thread, such insurance may be either unaffordable, or unavailable.
 
A glimmer of good news, from Smithsonian:

Innovation | January 23, 2025
How Cleaning Up Harmful Algal Blooms Could Help Fight Climate Change
A company called BlueGreen Water Technologies aims to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere while also fighting algae’s toxic effects on people and the environment

In September 2023, Moshe Harel watched the waters of Mantua Reservoir, a lake that supplied water to Brigham City, Utah, turn from pea-green to a clear blue. The reservoir had been choked with cyanobacteria, leading to public health advisories that warned people not to touch or swim in the water and putting financial stress on the local public works department. But over the course of a single day, Harel and a team of workers poured bags of white powder into the water, killing the bacteria and letting local residents access the lake again.

Harel, who had earned his PhD in environmental microbiology, had always been fascinated by cyanobacteria and algae, wanting to understand what made them so successful in the environment—and how to stop them. In 2018, the company he founded, BlueGreen Water Technologies, began treating lakes in Israel, China, South Africa and the United States that were suffering from harmful algal blooms using a chemical mix he calls Lake Guard.

"bags of white powder"
?

What's the $cost per gallon to treat such water resources?
And are there any other environmental impacts, which may degrade the desirability of this technology? For example, toxicity in municipal water supply reservoirs?
Is this technology suited to treating the "Gulf of America"?
 
Sanity Check?
I vaguely recall a previous post that ridiculed the assertion that wind turbines harm whales.
I did a Search01.JPG for "whales" and got zero. BUT:

I've recently learned:
offshore commercial wind turbines are often anchored into seabed with enormous pile-drivers.
These pile-drivers emit sound that's harmful to a variety of aquatic species, including whales.

Thus it's not the turbine operation itself, but its off-shore installation which causes this problem.

One of the methods applied to ameliorate this problem is the bubble-curtain,
surrounding the turbine installation site with a cylindrical shield of bubbles
which pro-turbine advocates claim reduces the detrimental impact upon local sea life.
 

Trump admin hits brakes on $5B electric vehicle charging station program​

The funds were included in a measure signed by then-President Joe Biden in 2021​

"The new leadership of the Department of Transportation (U.S. DOT) has decided to review the policies underlying the implementation of the NEVI Formula Program. Accordingly, the current NEVI Formula Program Guidance dated June 11, 2024, and all prior versions of this guidance are rescinded," Biondi noted.
"As result of the rescission of the NEVI Formula Program Guidance, FHWA is also immediately suspending the approval of all State Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Deployment plans for all fiscal years. Therefore, effective immediately, no new obligations may occur under the NEVI Formula Program until the updated final NEVI Formula Program Guidance is issued and new State plans are submitted and approved," the letter indicated.

One of the insidious elements of this Trump administration global sabotage is, transitioning automotive transportation from the fossil-fueled internal combustion engine (ICE)
to low Carbon-footprint alternatives including electric vehicles (EV) requires infrastructure.
ICE-powered cars benefit from the proliferation of currently operating fuel stations coast to coast.

This contemptuous Trump administration dismissal of anthropogenic global warming emergency is certain to have consequence.
This can be quantified by the PPM atmospheric Carbon targets *.

Are we on track to reach net zero by 2050?​

"No"

* ref:
 
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