The Second Term of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America

[Rigby5]

I didn't know that starting wars qualified someone for the Nobel Peace Prize

BTW, Norway is not the one who awards that prize (or any of the other Nobels)

I though it was Norway?
{...
The Nobel Peace Prize[a] is one of the five original Nobel Prizes established by the will of Swedish industrialist, inventor, and armaments manufacturer Alfred Nobel, along with the prizes in Chemistry, Physics, Physiology or Medicine, and Literature.

Since March 1901,[5] it has been awarded annually (with some exceptions) to people who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".[6] The Oxford Dictionary of Contemporary History describes it as "the most prestigious prize in the world".[7]

In accordance with Nobel's will, the prize is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a five-member committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway unlike all the other awards chosen by the Swedish Nobel Committee. The prize award ceremony has been held in Oslo City Hall since 1990, previously in the assembly hall of the University of Oslo (1947–1989), Norwegian Nobel Institute (1905–1946), and the Parliament (1901–1904).
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[Rigby5]

I blame Trump for the current War in Iran.
I do not blame FDR for WWII.


More detail is needed to make sense of this.
The U.S. military is populated with volunteers.
Why would a citizen volunteer for U.S. military service if they're not willing to kill? *

"Religious exemption"?
For execution?
For live-streaming? aka television? To what denomination do they belong that forswears television?

* In military battle our troops kill their troops, knowing their troops may be impoverished mercenaries, or unwilling conscripts,
or citizens of good conscience defending their own homeland.
In this case the condemned is a traitor, a coward, a murderer. "Religious exemption"?

I disagree.
In war, you are not murdering a defenseless person, but defending yourself, others, and country, from attack.
It is a war crime to kill someone who has surrendered.

 

[Shiftless2]

Why would a citizen volunteer for U.S. military service if they're not willing to kill?

They do have a duty to refuse to obey illegal orders.

And, as I said, the "I was just obeying orders" defense didn't work very well in Nuremberg.

 

[Shiftless2]

Back to the Nobel

Hide your heads in shame, ye sons of Vikings:https://nomoretrump.quora.com/Hide-your-heads-in-shame-ye-sons-of-Vikings

The United States of America, represented by me as your president, should have received the Nobel peace prize, but didn’t. And this is an indelible stain on the country of Norway, and those people that made such a disgraceful and embarrassing decision,” Trump said. {see theguardian trump-Nobel-peace-prize}

America will buy you a beer, Norway. We understand all about “indelible stains.”

Trump fumes over Nobel peace prize snub and criticizes Norway​

President complains about not winning prize in year he started war with Iran and says: ‘We will not forget, Norway’

Donald Trump complained on Friday about not winning the Nobel peace prize for 2026, a year in which he started a war with Iran.

At what was supposed to be a rally for other Republican candidates in Syracuse, New York, the US president devoted a long portion of his speech to airing his grievances with the Nobel committee.

“The United States of America, represented by me as your president, should have received the Nobel peace prize, but didn’t. And this is an indelible stain on the country of Norway, and those people that made such a ....

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[sear]

"In war, you are not murdering a defenseless person, but defending yourself, others, and country, from attack." R5 #4,122

In the case of the agricultural peasants attending to their own subsistence I would agree.
In the case of Lt. William Calley at My Lai massacring them I disagree.

"It is a war crime to kill someone who has surrendered." R5 #4,122

Even if true, relevance to the Nidal Hasan execution not clear.
"Surrendered" and "captured" are not synonyms, though in either case arrest does result.

"They do have a duty to refuse to obey illegal orders." S2 #4,123

What specific order is "illegal"? To participate in a firing squad?
I'm not aware of settled law addressing what happens to video of an execution, though recent reports claim it hasn't happened in generations in the U.S.

"And, as I said, the "I was just obeying orders" defense didn't work very well in Nuremberg." S2 #4,123

Clearly you perceive this relevant.
No connection obvious to me.

 

[Rigby5]

In the case of the agricultural peasants attending to their own subsistence I would agree.
In the case of Lt. William Calley at My Lai massacring them I disagree.


Even if true, relevance to the Nidal Hasan execution not clear.
"Surrendered" and "captured" are not synonyms, though in either case arrest does result.


What specific order is "illegal"? To participate in a firing squad?
I'm not aware of settled law addressing what happens to video of an execution, though recent reports claim it hasn't happened in generations in the U.S.


Clearly you perceive this relevant.
No connection obvious to me.

Any execution is not being motivated by immediate defense, so has no legal justification.
Since the person being executed is not an immediate threat, there is no legal justification for the use of deadly force.
There is no authority to give an order to execute.
Judges, generals, and legislators do not have any more authority than anyone, to order the use of deadly force, when not on immediate defense.

 

[sear]

R5 #4,126

If not that, one of two alternates?
Something else? Or
Nothing else?
Which do you advocate?

And if something else, what else? For how long? Who $pays?

 

[Rigby5]

If not that, one of two alternates?
Something else? Or
Nothing else?
Which do you advocate?

And if something else, what else? For how long? Who $pays?

They say cost is not really relevant since the extra trial costs when there is capital punishment involved, is greater than the cost of imprisonment.

The only real legal justification for executions could be if they reduced murders as greater deterrent value.
But what I have read says that executions not only increase murders by showing life is not that valuable, by example, but that criminal do not believe they will get caught.

 

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[sear]

"I keep reading that there have been no public executions in the United States for decades. Not true." BB #4,129

Amusing.
I consider those pictured in #4,129 murder victims, not justly executed felons.
During the Trump administration, a government paycheck is a license to kill.

 

[Rigby5]

Amusing.
I consider those pictured in #4,129 murder victims, not justly executed felons.
During the Trump administration, a government paycheck is a license to kill.

But victims like Renee Good and Alex Pretti are valid reminders of how executions are a dangerous precedent to start.
Governments tend towards corruption, so don't want government to have any more power than absolutely necessary.

 

[sear]

"Governments tend towards corruption" R5 #4,131

"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty is in this:
you must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself." James Madison

crook·ed (krkĭd)
adj.
Informal - Dishonest or unscrupulous; fraudulent.
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