The Second Term of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America

sear said:
We may benefit from some clarity here.

a) For starters, the legal U.S. convention of "settled law", a logical outgrowth of stare decisis (to stand by things decided).
Roe v. Wade was considered "settled law" until the Republican judicial SCOTUS cabal reversed itself.

So while "settled law" may be the standard, there are exceptions.
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"Reversed themselves" is a polite way to say "lied during their confirmation hearings"
 
Shiftless2 said:
I'm sure that not all ICE agents have California drivers licenses so the obvious question is what can the governor do about them.


Is being employed by ICE a crime? Or do they have to do something first?
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My assumption is all ICE agents are local.
That is what I have found to be true so far.
Like Jonathan Ross was from Minneapolis.
And the ICE agents in NM are from NM.

All ICE agents already are party to crimes by past actions like Kilmar being sent to the max prison in El Salvador, without even being accused of a crime.
 
sear said:
3 more years ! (& maybe more than 3)


We may benefit from some clarity here.

a) For starters, the legal U.S. convention of "settled law", a logical outgrowth of stare decisis (to stand by things decided).
Roe v. Wade was considered "settled law" until the Republican judicial SCOTUS cabal reversed itself.

So while "settled law" may be the standard, there are exceptions.

b) You may be EXACTLY right that a driver's license is a privilege today. I suspect it may even have been considered more so when there were fewer than a dozen issued nationwide.

BUT !
The ability to operate an automobile on public roadway might be argued to be a privilege by some, others may more persuasively observe it is a necessity on large portions of the territorial United States.


I checked for "banned criminal organizations" and on page one I got this hit: https://www.ice.gov/about-ice/hsi/investigate/transnational-gangs

Savor the irony. ICE not only lists criminal organizations, but may soon belong on its own list.


Interesting question. I don't know enough about law to answer comprehensively.
But if President Trump conquers Greenland, and Canada, & Panama, and then gets the United States of America listed internationally as a criminal organization, we may become closer to a more obvious answer.
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As to driving being a privilege.
I can see how the need can be absolute for some, especially in rural areas without mass transit.
But I think the reason driving is considered a privilege is that it puts others at risk?
 
Shiftless2 said:
That's like saying that all police officers are guilty of murder because one of them killed George Floyd.
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But Chauvin was arrested, tried, and convicted by other police.
If other police had instead prevented the arrest of Chauvin, then I think they all would be guilty in the George Floyd case as well.
 
Rigby5 said:
If other police had instead prevented the arrest of Chauvin, then I think they all would be guilty in the George Floyd case as well.
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In this case you're referring to those individual officers who actually prevented the arrest of Chauvin (or who lied about what happened). In your post about ICE agents you're referring to ALL of them.
 
Rigby5 said:
"As to driving being a privilege.
I can see how the need can be absolute for some, especially in rural areas without mass transit.
But I think the reason driving is considered a privilege is that it puts others at risk?" R5 #2,485
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Probably.
And responsible government has to split that baby. "Your right to flail your fist ends short of where my nose begins."
IIRC the ground is ALREADY shifting under this. The blood alcohol content (BAC) standard started at 0.1%
Then it dropped to 0.08%
Has it been reduced further?

And there's also some government waffling. Some reports indicate that drivers whose license has been otherwise suspended are still allowed to commute to & from work.

Shiftless2 said:
"In this case you're referring to those individual officers who actually prevented the arrest of Chauvin (or who lied about what happened). In your post about ICE agents you're referring to ALL of them." S2 #2,487
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Terrorists are distinguished by some degree because they do not wear uniforms, military or paramilitary rank, and other insignia.
ICE may cross that line, and may therefore be deemed enemy troops?
Probably not yet.
Hopefully not soon.
Can we rule it out as a metaphysical certitude that formally acknowledged as such or not, if they are a net negative regarding enforcing Constitutional law, they may alter their own status?
 
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Shiftless2 said:
In this case you're referring to those individual officers who actually prevented the arrest of Chauvin (or who lied about what happened). In your post about ICE agents you're referring to ALL of them.
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If all police had illegally interfered in the arrest of Chauvin, then all police should be arrested.
But not all police did.
Most police did the legal thing and arrested Chauvin.

But all ICE are violating the law, and they knowingly do not use due process to get warrants.
So they all know they all are criminals.
Since all ICE agents are doing these illegal procedures, and they all know it, they are all guilty.
 
Rigby5 said:
"Since all ICE agents are doing these illegal procedures, and they all know it, they are all guilty." R5 #2,490
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The long-tenured, well experienced ICE agents should know.
Recent reports indicate there's an expedited recruitment drive, including a reported $50K signing bonus.

Other reports indicate the duration of recruit training has been reduced.

President Trump CLEARLY does not care about fidelity to our Constitution.
Should it be a surprise that those under Trump's xenophobic command aren't that picky about Constitutional law either?

Let's not overlook the obvious.
President Trump and his crooked lieutenants have weaponized ICE and are using these deadly techniques to punish jurisdictions politically dominated by Democrats.
 
sear said:
The long-tenured, well experienced ICE agents should know.
Recent reports indicate there's an expedited recruitment drive, including a reported $50K signing bonus.

Other reports indicate the duration of recruit training has been reduced.

President Trump CLEARLY does not care about fidelity to our Constitution.
Should it be a surprise that those under Trump's xenophobic command aren't that picky about Constitutional law either?

Let's not overlook the obvious.
President Trump and his crooked lieutenants have weaponized ICE and are using these deadly techniques to punish jurisdictions politically dominated by Democrats.
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Seems an odd strategy to me since it is bound to make fewer republican voter next election.
The way ICE does not wear consistent and recognizable uniforms make then look ragtag, and the masks make them look like criminals.
 
Rigby5 said:
But all ICE are violating the law, and they knowingly do not use due process to get warrants.
So they all know they all are criminals.
Since all ICE agents are doing these illegal procedures, and they all know it, they are all guilty.
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You know that ALL of them are? Or you're just assuming it?
 
Shiftless2 said:
"Trying to provoke both a world war and civil war at the same time while demanding a Nobel Peace prize is a level of insanity I've never seen before." cc #2,499
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If it's marginal, you're quibbling.
If beyond persuasive dispute, why would such maniac not already have a rubber room to drool in?
 
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