Quotable Quotes

"January 6, 2021, was the most shameful day in American history. It should live in infamy, as should the traitor who refused to accept the results and incited the attack on the U.S. Capitol -- Donald J. Trump." ~ Robert Reich

"The [2020] election was rigged." ~ Trump, marking the fifth anniversary of J6 by repeating the Big Lie that caused it
Meanwhile, they White House has rewritten the events of January 6th
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And the reincarnated Nazi speaks ....

"We live in a world, in the real world...that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time." ~ Trump adviser Stephen Miller

"'Iron laws of the world'? Some of America's most important national accomplishments are about leading humanity away from this kind of bullshit. If we let ideologues like Stephen Miller drag us back into a world where brute force is all that matters, all of us will be less safe." ~ Pete Buttigieg
 
Shiftless2 said:
And the reincarnated Nazi speaks ....

"We live in a world, in the real world...that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time." ~ Trump adviser Stephen Miller

"'Iron laws of the world'? Some of America's most important national accomplishments are about leading humanity away from this kind of bullshit. If we let ideologues like Stephen Miller drag us back into a world where brute force is all that matters, all of us will be less safe." ~ Pete Buttigieg
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We are supposed to be governed by the consent of the governed, in a republic.

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The phrase "the consent of the governed" is a fundamental principle in political philosophy, emphasizing that a government's legitimacy is justified only when it is supported by the people it governs. This concept is notably articulated in the Declaration of Independence, stating that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Here are some notable quotes related to this principle:
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Rigby5 said:
"The phrase "the consent of the governed" is a fundamental principle in political philosophy, emphasizing that a government's legitimacy is justified only when it is supported by the people it governs." R5 #1,863
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I sincerely appreciate this point, and you taking the time to post it. Not to refute it, but to test it:

Out of a human population of 300+ Million we can expect occasional difference of opinion. Were it otherwise elections would be impossible. The candidates present their differing positions, and the electorate chooses.
"the consent of the governed" ? I am among the governed. I never consented to Trump. I've voted against him 3 times. And then the East wing was demolished.

The tie-breaker is supposed to be the rule of law.
In this Trump administration the rule of law is a ruse, a façade.

In Trump's case it's caused by the Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you (the voter) rapidly.
 
sear said:
I sincerely appreciate this point, and you taking the time to post it. Not to refute it, but to test it:

Out of a human population of 300+ Million we can expect occasional difference of opinion. Were it otherwise elections would be impossible. The candidates present their differing positions, and the electorate chooses.
"the consent of the governed" ? I am among the governed. I never consented to Trump. I've voted against him 3 times. And then the East wing was demolished.

The tie-breaker is supposed to be the rule of law.
In this Trump administration the rule of law is a ruse, a façade.

In Trump's case it's caused by the Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you (the voter) rapidly.
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Its too bad that we have to guess what the person we elect is going to do, and have to consent with a blank check ahead of time.
Maybe some day we could have a remote console in every home that allows every single issue to be voted on after the fact.
 
When asked the most efficient government system my 8th grade history teacher replied: "benevolent despotism". Count me a skeptic.

The Internet teases the possibility of a quasi-democracy. We leave daily operations to the officeholders, but expand the frequency and reach of the plebiscite / referendum.
 
sear said:
When asked the most efficient government system my 8th grade history teacher replied: "benevolent despotism". Count me a skeptic.

The Internet teases the possibility of a quasi-democracy. We leave daily operations to the officeholders, but expand the frequency and reach of the plebiscite / referendum.
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I would likely agree that a benevolent dictator is the most "efficient", but efficiency of a dictatorship is likely the last thing we would all want.
While a benevolent dictator may even want what is best for everyone, the risks are way too great.
And even more important is that once you allow a dictatorship, after it is bound to be followed by less benevolent replacements.

It would be interesting to see what would happen with a total democracy where every one voted on everything?
You would still need a judiciary to ensure the majority did not abuse minorities.
 
Shiftless2 said:
At the risk of offending any teachers reading this I wouldn't put much weight in any opinion expressed by a grade school teacher.
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Its not that far out since societies like ancient Rome would often appoint a dictator as Caesar during difficult times.
Dictators like Hitler turned a broke and starving county into the most powerful country in the world, with about a fifth the population of its enemies.
 
Shiftless2 said:
"At the risk of offending any teachers reading this I wouldn't put much weight in any opinion expressed by a grade school teacher." S2 #1,867
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Fine.
But this guy wore the thickest eyeglass lenses I've ever seen, looked more like a comedy prop than prosthesis.

Also worth noting, kudos to any that sincerely want to teach.
I've had a few spectacular teachers, and am forever indebted to them.

Rigby5 said:
"I would likely agree that a benevolent dictator is the most "efficient", but efficiency of a dictatorship is likely the last thing we would all want." R5 #1,868
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Hadn't occurred to me until I read your post.
Perhaps what may have been true then is no longer true in our 3rd millennium.
Back then a learned benevolent dictator (devoid of innovation for purpose of example clarity) might have been able to dictate while maintaining currency.

But progress is too fast now. One guy, a super-exec, a dictator, would be unlikely to also stay current with fundamental change like A.I.
 
sear said:
Fine.
But this guy wore the thickest eyeglass lenses I've ever seen, looked more like a comedy prop than prosthesis.

Also worth noting, kudos to any that sincerely want to teach.
I've had a few spectacular teachers, and am forever indebted to them.


Hadn't occurred to me until I read your post.
Perhaps what may have been true then is no longer true in our 3rd millennium.
Back then a learned benevolent dictator (devoid of innovation for purpose of example clarity) might have been able to dictate while maintaining currency.

But progress is too fast now. One guy, a super-exec, a dictator, would be unlikely to also stay current with fundamental change like A.I.
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Funny, but when you write about "efficient dictators" and "fundamental change like A.I.", I can't help thinking of the Borg on "Star Trek".
Although I was disappointed the Borg had a queen.
I think the plot would have been more believable/interesting with a computer in charge.
 
Rigby5 said:
"Funny, but when you write about "efficient dictators" and "fundamental change like A.I.", I can't help thinking of the Borg on "Star Trek".
Although I was disappointed the Borg had a queen.
I think the plot would have been more believable/interesting with a computer in charge." #1,871
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I'm confident I saw episode #one of the Shatner / Nimoy series, when initially broadcast. If I'm not a dyed in the wool Trekie, who is?
None the less, Star Trek is part melodrama, part sci-fi farce *, and part comic book.

The computer might have been a crowd pleaser, but it would have sacrificed the analogy to the bee hive.

* "It's hard to explain captain. I call it an alternative warp. Sort of a negative magnetic corridor, where the two parallel universes meet. Sort of a safety valve. It keeps eternity from blowing up." episode guest star "Lazarus"
 
sear said:
I'm confident I saw episode #one of the Shatner / Nimoy series, when initially broadcast. If I'm not a dyed in the wool Trekie, who is?
None the less, Star Trek is part melodrama, part sci-fi farce *, and part comic book.

The computer might have been a crowd pleaser, but it would have sacrificed the analogy to the bee hive.

* "It's hard to explain captain. I call it an alternative warp. Sort of a negative magnetic corridor, where the two parallel universes meet. Sort of a safety valve. It keeps eternity from blowing up." episode guest star "Lazarus"
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I had forgotten the bee hive analogy.
Which now that I think about it, explains why the Borg ship was a cube.
But that likely is because I did not see an analogy to honey?
 
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Seven of Nine Quotes​

1- “Guilt, shame, remorse.” – Seven of Nine

2- “I may be new to individuality, but I’m not ignorant of human behavior. I’ve noticed your attempts to engage me in idle conversation. And I see the way your pupils dilate when you look at my body.” – Seven of Nine

3- “To the newest member of our crew; may all her desires be fulfilled except for one. So she’ll always have something to strive for.” – Seven of Nine

4- “It is unsettling. You say that I am a human being and yet, I am also Borg… Part of me not unlike your replicator… Not unlike the Doctor. Will you one day choose to abandon me as well?” – Seven of Nine

5- “You were hoping your behaviour was the result of a malfunction? I’m sorry, Doctor. But I must give you a clean bill of health.” – Seven of Nine

6- “Naomi Wildman, subunit of Ensign Samantha Wildman. State your intentions.” – Seven of Nine

7- “Fun will now commence.” – Seven of Nine

8- “You have always been of enormous assistance to me, Doctor. You…You are my mentor.” – Seven of Nine

9- “I’ve spent the last three years struggling to regain my Humanity. I’m afraid I may have lost it again in that arena.” – Seven of Nine

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10- “I understand the concept of humour. It may not be apparent, but I am often amused by Human behaviour.” – Seven of Nine

11- “There is no one on Deck Nine, Section 12 who doesn’t know when you’re having intimate relations.” – Seven of Nine
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Shiftless2 said:
"While Seven of Nine was spectacular by any definition of the word I'm not sure how she's relevant here." S2 #1,875
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Because of topic drift?
It's OK to quote, but not discuss? A forum for introverts?

There's a broad spectrum of cyber-cultures @BBS.
I visited a tightly restricted message board that battled against topic drift. As I recall it was a successful cyber-community, w/ a viable posting population.
I didn't stick around long. It seemed to me like a stifling environment, inhibiting a free and spontaneous exchange of views.

It's a broad spectrum.
Where is the goldilocks zone? How much discussion of the disclosed quotations should be tolerated here?
 
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