The Second Term of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America
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Sounds to me like we are in agreement?
Here to fore reputation has been enough to prevent such theft / treachery.
Such resources can be, and for centuries have been purchased, international commerce.
To abandon that model, and substitute for it simple plunder would stain the reputation of the plunderer,
transforming the plunderer from trusted trade partner & ally to pariah.
Thus, the cost exceeds the benefit to any leader that values his own reputation.
That is but one more reason Donald Trump is such a danger.
Shiftless2
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You just said that the only reason to be interested in Greenland is the water that would result from the ice melting. I just showed you that's not the case.
No, I wrote:
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Funny thing is that the only reason to be interested in Greenland is if you believe global warming is true.
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If global warming were not true, then the cold and ice would make it too expensive to exploit Greenland for anything.
The ice sheet over Greenland varies from 1 mile to 2 miles thick.
That would make things like oil drilling or mining, pretty impractical.
Shiftless2
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And then you went on to talk about the melted water. And said it's the only reason to be interested in Greenland.
No, the second sentence was A reason to be interested in Greenland after global warming, but there was no "only".
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There actually is money to be made selling all that fresh water run off, to places like Saudi Arabia.
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Commercially viable?
Add shipping and handling included?
Not entirely sure it's relevant, but in portions of the U.S. we can pay more for 12 oz. of drinking water than for 12 oz of gasoline.
MC
Commercially viable?
Add shipping and handling included?
Not entirely sure it's relevant, but in portions of the U.S. we can pay more for 12 oz. of drinking water than for 12 oz of gasoline.
MC
Remember it is easier to ship water than anything else.
All you need is a big waterproof membrane tube and a tugboat.
The fresh water will float, and does not have to be put inside of a ship.
Oddly enough, when I asked the AI, it said Greenland's biggest asset from the melt off was sand?
Than any other liquid?
Trans-oceanic water shipment? A sandwich baggie provides a waterproof membrane.
But one that conforms to the hold of a ship?
Has this technology been used commercially before, over such distance? With commercially viable volumes of water? Riyadh is landlocked, so they'd have to do some perdiddling. But the Nuuk to Riyadh distance clocks out ~5,000 miles. https://www.distancecalculator.net/
Count me a skeptic.
If that were a viable way to transport liquid, why don't they transport petroleum that way, instead of inside the holds of tankers?
One risk is membrane rupture. Over 5,000 mile distance, there's a lot of debris floating about.
Much of that the steel of a large ship's hull can shrug off, with notable exceptions including the Titanic.
Over a 5,000 mile distance, I doubt a sandwich baggie would hold up very well.
Not sure there's a grain of truth there.
Artificial Idiocy?
Why don't they drink water at the North Pole?
Because there's Noël.
Shiftless2
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First - you're the one who used the word "only" when you said that " the only reason to be interested in Greenland is if you believe global warming is true.".
And since you immediately followed up with a comment about selling water it's clear what you meant - or at least what your comment meant.
Following on Sear's comment in #2,130, while the concept may sound appealing I doubt that it's economically feasible.
Shiftless2
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You can't use the membrane tube or bladder method for shipping oil because of the mess if it ripped open for some reasons.
But if you are just shipping fresh water, no harm done.
It has been done for decades.
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Yes, ships can tow liquid bladder containers in the ocean. These containers, such as the Canflex "Sea Slug" bladders and Lamor Floating Oil Storage Tanks (LFT), are designed for temporary storage and transport of oil and other liquids. They are constructed from durable materials and can be towed by appropriate-sized vessels. These bladders are used in various operational environments and are essential for oil spill recovery and disaster relief efforts.
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https://canflexinc.com/documentation/Sea Slug Ocean Towable Bladder/CANFLEX - Sea Slug.pdf
The use it for shipping water from desalinization plants, harvesting icebergs, etc.
The word "only" in the first sentence does apply to all the potential uses for Greenland, since it would be too difficult to do things like mining or oil drilling in an ice covered Greenland.
My point was just to show the hypocrisy of people like Trump claiming there is no global warming, but then doing things like looking ahead to the value of a warm Greenland.
Shipping fresh water by towed eternal bladders instead of inside a ship is already very common and economically viable.
All you need is a little tugboat instead of a big tanker.
Desalinization plants have to be on a source of saltwater and energy, but then their output has to be sent to where the people are, and that is sometimes done with towed external bladders.
Lewinski was 22 the year Bill Clinton was president and she started her internship in 1995, since she was born in 1973.
And only Bill and Lewinski would have to allow publication.
But the Epstein files are from a grand jury, so supposed to always remain secret according to law.
And every single person mentioned would have to agree.
